Re: Michelson-Morley & Miller
From: greywolf42 (mingstb_at_marssim-ss.com)
Date: 10/15/04
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:28:56 GMT
"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox T:net@nospam.com> wrote in
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> Dear Kenneth Ellested:
>
> "Kenneth Ellested" <ke@jydsk-data.dk> wrote in message
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> ...
> >>> How is "propagation of em" defined today - is it assumed that there
> >>> isn't a "medium"?
> >>
> >> It is explained in terms of fields on spacetime. No medium required.
>
> > And there I have it again. It's terrible hard to imagine "Einsteins
> > universe".
> > When I think of waves and propagation, I will automatically think
> > medium. How can you "transfer" light from A to B through "nothing"?
>
> *All* particles can be made to behave as light does, regarding
> self-interference, refraction, even polarization (if you use quantum spin
> as the analogue).
The only problem is that they don't do this in the lab -- only in theory.
:)
> So how do particles move through "nothing"?
Because the 'nothing' is aether.
> This
> includes, photons,
These are travelling waves within the aether.
> electrons, neutrons, nucleii, even molecules larger
> than C-60 buckyballs.
These are standing waves in the aether.
> > How can gravity work through "nothing"?
>
> Since gravity is curvature of "nothing", gravity doesn't have to work
> through it.
How does 'nothing' curve?
> > How can magnetism work through "nothing"?
>
> This "nothing" is called spacetime, and is the product of the mass and
> energy of this Universe.
But spacetime is just a word that describes the aether, without admitting
it. Mass and energy are not 'nothing.'
> > If you now say that "nothing" IS "fields on spacetime" - then "nothing"
> > is actually something.
>
> Nothing is the absence of all somethings. Nothing is an absolute, and
> there are no absolutes in this Universe.
You just invalidated your own argument.
> To say that there is "nothing
> here", is to say that nothing can be measured to be in some particular
> volume. And this would be untrue, since any volume of any finite size
> will contain, at minimum, photons en route to some destination.
And how big is a photon? If it's a point particle, then your argument is
false on it's face.
> > And this something must exist everywhere we can see the forces work.
>
> Spacetime. "Extension of mass-energy."
But mass requires something. And energy is the motion of mass. Hence,
spacetime must be 'something.'
> > In other words - in "my universe" I can intercept a light wave wherever
> > I want in space and stop it's motion (stop it from propagating any
> > further - even reflect it). If the wave doesn't exist, how can I then
> > stop it?
>
> Same can be said for any particle.
Since all the particles you mentioned are waves, this is trivial.
> > This is extremely hard to imagine - why do I need an IQ worth 500+ to
> > figure it?
>
> No, you just need to get out more. Can you imagine the taste of Dom
> Perrignon, unless you taste it?
When did you taste a buckyball?
> > Well, in the meantime I will go try to figure what "fields on spacetime"
> > is.
>
> A subset of all the values that can be assigned to any region of
> spacetime. Like the orientation and thickness of red fibers in
> a quilt... only one that is four dimensional.
>
> I wonder what the granny that made it looks like?
Hallucinations only amuse for awhile.
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