Re: Define a clock

From: Androcles (dummy_at_dummy.net)
Date: 10/18/04 

Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:19:04 GMT

"Daniel Weston" <daniel009@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28467-4173BD0B-164@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net...
> Androcles: Einstein's initial thinking and statements about time, came
> before SR, not as a result of SR. If you accept his statements about
> time, that does not force you to accept relativity.
>
> His basic statements were, 1) time is not absolute,

I do not accept that, for the reasons I've given on numerous occasions.
A clock is an oscillator (pendulum, balance wheel, quartz crysal, ....)
and a counter ( gear train, electronic divider, human being).
Between ANY pair of clocks we have a ratio of counts. For example
we have a ratio of Venus to Earth of 225/365, the "time" in days it takes
for Venus to complete an orbit of the sun and the "time" it takes for
Earth to complete an orbit of the sun. We can construct a theoretical
table of ratios for all clocks in the universe. Here is part of it.
(1 cycle of little hand of Weston's watch = *)
              Mercury Venus Earth *
Mercury 1 88/225 88/365 88/730
Venus 225/88 1 225/365 225/730
Earth 365/88 365/225 1 1/2 (two 12 hour
cycles)
 * 730/88 730/225 2 1

>From this table I can calculate the position of Venus by looking at your
watch, as long as I properly count all your cycles.
If your watch (which says what time is as you claim) suddenly
completes 1 cycle in one day (runs slow) its ratio will change
with EVERY clock in the universe. Therefore the table describes
universal, absolute time as Newton claimed, and Einstein was an idiot.

 i.e. there is no
> absolute time;

2) time is what you read off the face of a clock:
Then eat your breakfast in the dark at 2:00 am if your watch is
reading 8:00 am.
I'm not that stupid.

and 3)
> a clock compares the motion within the timepiece to the motion of
> something else. (e.g. the clock's motion to the motion of the earth's
> rotation)

Now that is correct. The position of Ganymede in its orbit about
Jupiter can be compared to the position of Mars in its orbit about
the sun, and I can predict where both will be by my watch at some
time in the future. If I then go on a jaunt to try to make my watch
run slow, I'll still know where Mars will be when I come back from
the position of Ganymede, and if it doesn't agree with my watch I'll
conclude my watch is faulty, just as I would if it read 12:00 noon
and it was dark outside.
Einstein's relativity is measured against the universal absolute time
of the universe. If your watch runs slow when measured against
Earth, it runs slow when measured against any other clock anywhere,
no matter how fast you are moving. AND, we do not have to be
AT Jupiter to count the oscillations of Ganymede, Io, Europa and
Callisto, we can do it through a telescope from here. That proves
the counter can be remote. When you "synchonize" clocks, you
do not stop the oscillator, you make the counters read the same.
I can synchonize every oscillator in the universe by having all
the counters local. If an oscillator moves, it will show doppler
shift, and when it comes back it will show doppler shift again.
I know this by COUNTING the oscllations and the count will
agree when the oscillator has returned to its original position, based
on the ratio provided by the table.
Time is Absolute and Universal.
Androcles

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> Sorry about waxing poetic. "To err is human, To forgive divine."
> Alexander Pope. I humbly beseech your mercy and bountiful grace.
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