Re: Tom Roberts, M-Max, Hobba

From: xxein (xxein_at_bellsouth.net)
Date: 10/20/04 

Date: 19 Oct 2004 21:13:14 -0700

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> > > Scale (properties associated) and spectrum need to be investigated to
> more completeness. If all we can do is imagine, let's imagine something
> that leads/ties to the broad spectrum of reality instead of wishfulness.
>
>
> True.
>
>
> > > It is not for the weak mind to contemplate and attempt to understand.
> In its completeness, it would describe why she said that in relation to the
> BB. I would be happy to settle why a ball falls from a description of
> energy in space.
>
>
> A ball falls because Gravity pulls it down toward the Earth. :) If left
> there long enough, Gravity combined with its counterforce of thermal energy
> will eventually degrade the ball to the point it becomes part of the earth
> it fell into. For certain plastics that could be a very long time.
>
> Picture this: All mass has an inside force pulling at it and casting out a
> net around it to capture other mass if it can. Boring. Newton's been there
> and done that. Einstein too, he warped spacetime with it. Proved it with the
> Mercury thing. Only one small correction: mass is a product of gravity.
>
> Mass is the interaction point for the two opposing forces. Wherever mass is,
> there are the two opposing forces working to control it. The more mass, the
> more area for gravity to reach out from, the more spacetime pulled in. But
> squeeze mass too tight and the other force wins: nova... unless there's so
> much mass gravity can't lose: black hole. No infinite gravity though.
>
>
> > > Still, I am open.
> > >
> > > Have fun with it.
> >
> >
> > That was fun. :) Wonderful collection of thought experiments.
>
>
> > xxein: Love yours also.
>
>
> Thanks. :)
>
>
> > However, I did not get YOUR origin of of charge. OH!!! I almost
> understand what you might mean. The burps of the local adiabatics
> (temporary feedbacks on the difference scale). That would be necessary to
> be 360. Otherwise only a restricted 180??? Let me think for a while.
>
>
> No adiabatics... well, maybe for an instant. Charge requires an exchange,
> and definitely an interaction of opposing forces.
>
>
> > Magnetism? Again related to the above (?). I know that you did not say
> that, but gravity is radial and magnetism is not. Got something else?
>
xxein: This is where we start to differ.

(Is it Lesage that pushes?) Gravity does not attract either.
 
>
> No, they are not the same thing. :) Magnetism is a product of interaction,
> Gravity is a maker of interaction, hence the use of the prefix "supra" I
> used earlier.
>
I suggest that gravity points to energy consumption (mass).
 
>
> > As for photons, they have a certain velocity in a medium.
>
>
> Waves have a certain detectable velocity... "detectable" is an important
> word. Photons don't move, well, not a lot. Planck called them "quanta",
> little packets that *delivered* energy. From that everyone hopped on the
> flying photons wagon. It's so much neater to have a deep mystery than a
> boring normal sort of thing.
>
>
> > Do you think you can accept that the medium can move, even beyond our
> determination of speed of light?
>
>
> Sure, but aether doesn't. The waves in it can though.
>
Water cannot flow and have waves that are in obeyance?
 
>
> > Can't a BH cause the medium to move toward it beyond c wrt to itself? I
> don't really see a restriction applying for any physical reason. Maybe you
> could suggest one that has physical reason?
>
>
> Black holes exert no more gravity on their surroundings than is equivalent
> to the amount of mass they have consumed. The fact that the gravity that has
> formed them is capable of pulling in spacetime in such a way as to direct
> all light down toward the interior of the black hole is enough of a physical
> reason.
>
Is there a speed limit? I find that one meter of mass can cause a
test particle to travel at c*sqrt(2) at r = 1 meter. But that uses a
faraway observer and clock, if it could so measure >
(sqrt(2*M(meters)*c^2/r)).
 
>
> > Einstein covered his ass from a batter's hit to home plate, but seemed
> unwilling to steal third base. How did he get home? Just asking and loving
> it.
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with loving and understanding our universe, is
> there?
>
>
> No. :)
>
> Be well - Pax
>
> .~*~._.~*~._.~*~._.~*~._.~*~._.~*~._.~*~._.~*~._.~*~.
>
> May people say of you:
> "The world is a better place because you are in it."
>
> From Andromeda:
> "Dillon Hunt, there are three kinds of people in this
> universe, those who can count, and those who can't."
>
> We sit inside the impossible and say the impossible
> is impossible.

Good. I am not alone.

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