Re: Mileva Maric - any educated opions?
From: greywolf42 (mingstb_at_marssim-ss.com)
Date: 10/24/04
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:54:18 GMT
"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Jack Jones" <consumer@ai5.net> wrote in message
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> > Thanks for your reply. I think I know the few letter you speak of
> > from the AE Archive but as you say nothing of a technical nature,
> > except for the posture of Albert as a man unproven ... to a girl by the
> > way in mathematical training herself, one of the very few to be
> > admitted.
> >
> > (My grandmother was a mathematician in training at this same time, who
> > first told me of Mileva and Albert, so the rumors & speculation already
> > existed post 1905. My grandmother saide how very difficult it was for
> > any female to gain entry muchless stay on station with little or no job
> > prospects all going to the men. And by the time of the last year most
> > woman if any failed or just disappeared. My grandmother continued
> > until the Depression and then was told to quit: "we can only support
> > men who have families to support". (My grandmother had my mother
> > to support but that did not count so her father brought her home by
> > train where she was instantly employed as a rural school teacher -
> > she eventually became superintendant of the school district.)
>
> What you say is of course true and a terrible inditement on the age. But
> to be balanced one must look at cases where superb mathematical talent
> won by its own merit - eg Emily Noether.
Her name was Emmy, not Emily. I know that many Relativists mistake her
name. But then some also think that "Noether" was a man. Because even
modern bigots have a hard time believing that women can do math.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=YqoC6.1342%2405.1408307%40nntp1.onemain.co
m
> So to say they had no hope is
> not quite true - you just had to be so damn good your sex did not matter.
Or you have a male patron in the power structure, who likes the answers you
get.
But if you have a male opponent in the power structure (for whatever
reason), you are SOL. Even today. Look at the 1974 nobel prize for
discovery of a the first neutron star (in the Crab nebula). The discovery
was made by Jocelyn Bell. The award (and all the credit) was given to
Hewish, when Hewish had nothing to do with the work or ideas. He simply
"owned" the radio telescope and the position of power.
http://scienceweek.com/2004/sc040611-1.htm
> And to also
> be fair it is often remarked that unless you are that damn good
> mathematics would probably get by quite well without you -
> of course that is small comfort to the promising careers it
> snuffed out and the attendant heartbreak.
How many Milevas and Srinivasas (Ramanujan) have we lost, because they were
the wrong color or wrong sex? Or just had the wrong ideas? Or had someone
more accepted by the power structure grab the credit?
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