Re: [OT in SPR] NOMINATION - George Hammond for Usenet Kook of the Month (was: Re: Hammond Teh Moderator)

From: Real Friendly Neighborhood Vote Ranger (yyyiiinnnggg_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 10/30/04 

Date: 30 Oct 2004 05:41:28 GMT

"Peter J Ross" <gadfly@NOSPAMmeow.org> wrote in message
news:slrnco65b9.aqe.gadfly@nntp.petitmorte.net...
> Although George's lifelong devotion to being a first-class kook can't
> be demonstrated by quoting a single post, I think this one contains all
> that's needed to support a KotM nomination:
>
> On Friday 29 October, George Hammond wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:
>
> > "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in
message
> > news:6ab3o01pm2jqpl8cq5768231ib5qfu63b8@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:27:30 -0600, Art Deco <art_deco@127.0.0.1>
> >> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> >> <281020041927307100%art_deco@127.0.0.1>:
> >>
> >> >Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:22:53 -0400, "George Hammond"
> >> >> <nowhere@nomailspam.com> transparently proposed:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.chinet.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:PLOdnYKFLKrMuOLcRVn-jw@newedgenetworks.com...
> >> >> >> George Hammond <nowhere@nomailspam.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >For your newsgroups file:
> >> >> >> >alt.sci.relativistic-god.moderated Relativistic theory of God
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ah. This'll be a good group to try out the MVI for alt.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >[Hammond]
> >> >> >You have a reputation for being an expert on computer hacking
> >> >> >and the psychology of hackers.
>
> If Adam H Kerman really has such a reputation, I apologise to him for
> doubting it. Meanwhile, I'll just point out that George seems to have
> no idea who he's replying to.
>
> >> >> >I have a question:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I plan to (initially) moderate this group under Windows 98 using
> >> >> >News Express 2.01 to write my own headers and post the messages
> >> >> >received in my NG-email account. I can't write a word of "script"
> >> >> >but will learn to as it becomes necessary. Within a year I will
> >> >> >doublessly develop a more sophisticated system.
>
> Observe George's delusions about his learning abilities, and marvel!
>
> >> >> >Obviously
> >> >> >this would not work for any kind of a busy group, but initially I
> >> >> >don't expect more than a couple of posts per day, if that.
>
> What this amounts to is a statement that George wants a group where
> only he and the non-existent people who agree with him are allowed to
> post. Am I the only one reminded of Eddie Wollmann (winner of ~40 kook
> awards) here?
>
> >> >> > However, if I can do something as easy as that, what is to keep
> >> >> >hackers from simply doing the same thing by forging approval
> >> >> >headers... or from posting forged cancel messages in the same way?
> >> >> >I'm aware that an ISP would pull the plug on them if cought, but
> >> >> >that involves a lot of red tape. Why don't all moderated groups
> >> >> >have a problem with this?
>
> That's a sensible newbie question. However, it shows that George has
> thought deeply about his vanity group and really cares about it, and
> therefore constitutes evidence of kookery.
>
> >> >> > In your estimation, what kind of trouble can I run into if some
> >> >> >nut gets fixated on hacking this moderated group?
> >> >> > I realize I can cancel forged posts and repost anything
> >> >> >canceled by forged messages... but I'm not looking forward to,
> >> >> >and have no interest in electronic warfare per se. I'm a physicist
> >> >> >interested in discussing a scientific proof of God, and not
> >> >> >interested in much else.
> >> >> > Anyone having a comment, please advise.
>
> I haven't seen any evidence in sci.physics.* that anybody describes
> George as a physicist except George himself. "Nutjob", "kook" and
> "troll" are words more frequently applied to him.
>
> >> >With his "software" lined up to handle the moderation task, all he is
> >> >lacking now is a newsgroup and some people to post there. I guess the
> >> >tried-and-true solution will always work -- sockpuppets.
> >>
> >> Just what Usenet needs, another NG that gets 20 posts a year, half of
> >> which are rejected by our esteemed self-appointed moderator.
> >> Wonderful.
>
> > [Hammond]
> > Na.... I know about the problem with dead moderated NG's and I have no
> > intention of creating yet another one of them.
>
> Note that George thinks that his intentions are enough to make a group
> successful. In fact, there's no evidence that anybody wants to discuss
> his theories. Anybody who has tried to reason with him in the past has
> been dismissed as a troll.
>
> > Lack of posters is no problem. One crosspost to talk.origins, or
> > alt.talk.creationism will drown the group in posts. Yes, from 4 years
of
> > experience in the unmoderated NG's I have discovered that 60-80% of
> > these posts are OT trolls, and will reject most of them.
>
> I rather get the impression that George wants to derail discussions in
> the above-mentioned groups by adding a crosspost to his vanity group
> and then moderating all the replies away. I've formed this theory
> because I can't think of any other reason why George should want to
> encourage crossposting to groups where anybody who isn't a creationist
> loon is certain to laugh at him.
>
> > The aim here is to attract high level posters who are adverse to
posting
> > in an unmoderated environment. It may be slow for a year or so, but
> > my dedication to the subject has passed 22 years now
>
> This claim appears to be true. George has a history of 22 years of
> pseudo-scientific kookery, and therefore can't be called a troll. He's
> a genuine kook, and deserves proper recognition on Usenet at last.
>
> > and considerable
> > interest has been shown by potential VIP posters in private email.
>
> Unlike lesser kooks, George isn't satisfied with being supported by
> the lurkers in email. The people who support George are VIPs!
>>>>>>Can I have a VIP pass or two?
>
> This statement alone would qualify George as a true Usenet kook, but
> there's more. Much, much more!
>
> > On the
> > other hand some of the Usenet regulars may take a more disciplined
approach
> > in a more exclusive environment.
> > My primitive software limitations will slow things at first.... but
after
> > a
> > year or so I should be up to speed with posssibly a Unix system and
> > Stump semi-robo moderation. At 62 hopefully I'll be moderating this
group
> > for at least 8 years and at that time someone else can take over.
>
> I wish George a long life and continued devotion to his lost cause. He
> could be the next Alexander Abian if he plays his cards right. He's a
> delightfully old-fashioned kook, whose kookery is genuinely grounded
> in Weird Science rather than in common-or-garden stupidity.
>
> Here's George's famous kooksite:
>
> http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com/
>
> It's a good introduction to the bizarre ideas that he also posts
> regularly to Usenet.
>
> George has already once been a KotM candidate against strong
> competition without success, and has won the Victor von Frankenstein
> "Weird Science" Award and the Palmjob Paddle.
>
> Any seconds?
>
> A second from a scientist would be nice. I dropped physics in favour
> of Greek at the age of sixteen, and can't claim even an informed
> amateur's knowledge of the subject.
>
> I've taken the liberty of adding sci.physics.relativity, since that
> seems to be the group where George is best known. If anybody there
> wants to second the nomination without continuing an off-topic thread,
> snecking all the groups but alt.usenet.kooks is acceptable. I mention
> this because I know many people would be happy if they never saw a
> reference to George "SPoG" Hammond again.
>
>
> PJR :-)
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> http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/
>
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