Re: Time and Proper Time.

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Date: 12/04/04 

Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:10:14 -0800

Daniel Weston wrote:
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> Patrick: I was not inquiring how the twin "paradox" worked. I was
> asking, when we consider the twin phenomena, how does that change our
> concept of time? Or our definition?
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> During twin A's journey, the earth did not change the way it rotated
> simply because the twin took a trip. But when he returned, his watch
> showed a different proper time. Can we not say then that traveling
> effects the clocks only, and not the thing the clock is suppose to
> mimic. (earth's rotation) But how can this be correct if also the twins
> showed different ages? This infers that time has an "objective" quality
> to it. Or are we only talking about motion, not time? But since there
> is supposedly no absolute motion, how can there be an absolute
> difference in their ages and clock face values? (i.e. proper time)
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> The twins had an absolute different age, and their watches had an
> absolute different elapsed time showing. Was this difference caused by
> time which is a free invention of the mind, or by motion which is all
> relative? The idea that there is no absolute motion is the hallmark of
> the "no aether" group, and relativity.
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> We need Tom Roberts to tell us what modern standard relativity would say
> to resolve this apparent problem.
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Daniel Weston wrote:
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> Patrick: I was not inquiring how the twin "paradox" worked. I was
> asking, when we consider the twin phenomena, how does that change our
> concept of time? Or our definition?
>
> During twin A's journey, the earth did not change the way it rotated
> simply because the twin took a trip. But when he returned, his watch
> showed a different proper time. Can we not say then that traveling
> effects the clocks only, and not the thing the clock is suppose to
> mimic. (earth's rotation) But how can this be correct if also the twins
> showed different ages? This infers that time has an "objective" quality
> to it. Or are we only talking about motion, not time? But since there
> is supposedly no absolute motion, how can there be an absolute
> difference in their ages and clock face values? (i.e. proper time)
>
> The twins had an absolute different age, and their watches had an
> absolute different elapsed time showing. Was this difference caused by
> time which is a free invention of the mind, or by motion which is all
> relative? The idea that there is no absolute motion is the hallmark of
> the "no aether" group, and relativity.
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> We need Tom Roberts to tell us what modern standard relativity would say
> to resolve this apparent problem.
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