Re: David question three: relativistic electron mass

From: Paul B. Andersen (paul.b.andersen_at_deletethishia.no)
Date: 12/20/04 

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:50:22 +0100

jahn wrote:
> "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@deletethishia.no> wrote in message news:cq4t4a$dsl$1@dolly.uninett.no...
>
>>jahn wrote:
>>
>>>"Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@deletethishia.no> wrote in message news:cpuaan$jq8$1@dolly.uninett.no...
>>>
>>>
>>>>You didn't address the issue.
>>>>Fleeing again?
>>>>
>>>>I have yet too see you defending your claims.
>>>>Why is that?
>>>>
>>>>Paul
>>>
>>>The claim that masses tend to infinity seems the
>>>one in need of some proof. It is not my claim to
>>>defend.
>>
>>You ARE fleeing. But I will chase you.
>
> Dirk has already filled that position.
> There is still an opening for the designer of
> a clock that will respond to motion such that
> the applicaton of Lorentz gamma factors will
> result in agreement with a proper clock.
> Plumbing pipe, Gaussian beam shapes and even
> ballistic photons are permissible in the design.
>
> Sue...
>
>
>
>
>>This is YOUR claim:
>>Sue jahn wrote:
>>| The correct logic to use is the same as
>>| the basball pitcher. The accelerating fields can't
>>| exceed the speed of light wrt the laboratory
>>| frame of reference so the particle is simply
>>| "out running" the accelerating fields as it
>>| nears the speed of light wrt the lab, just as
>>| the ball is outrunning the pitcher's hand.
>>
>>I say this claim of YOURS is wrong.
>>I challenge you to either defend it or admit it is wrong.
>>
>>Here is why it is wrong:
>>
>>The reason why a pitcher cannot accelerate a baseball beyond
>>the maximum speed of his hand, is obvious.
>>He cannot transfer more kinetic energy to the baseball
>>when his hand has reached its maximum speed.
>>
>>But a particle in an accelerator gains the same amount of
>>kinetic energy every time it passes through a RF-cavity,
>>regardless of its speed. Even when the speed of the particle
>>is only few mm/s below c, it gains the same amount of kinetic energy.
>>
>>Part of this energy is lost as synchrotron radiation
>>where the particle trajectories are bent by a magnetic field.
>>The radiated energy comes from the kinetic energy of
>>the particles, which therefore loose some energy.
>>Isn't this a beautiful proof that the RF-cavities keep
>>putting energy into the particles?
>>If they didn't, where does then the radiated energy come from?
>>
>>When the speed of the particle increases, the synchrotron
>>radiation increases. When the radiated energy is equal
>>to the energy the RF-cavities put into the particles,
>>the accelerator is in steady state and have reached
>>the limit of its performance.
>>
>>So the RF-cavities never cease to put energy into
>>the particles regardless of their speed. We can measure
>>this energy because it is radiated in another part of the circuit.
>>
>>But you never defend your claims, do you?
>>You run away.
>>Or give a pointer to an irrelevant URL.
>>
>>Paul

I record another "tail between the legs" by Sue jahn.

But I guess it will repeat the claims it
is too chicken to even try to defend.
Cranks always do.

Payl

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