Re: Androcles and Draper resume Einstein 1905

From: PDraper (pdraper_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 01/09/05 

Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:50:24 -0500

On 1/8/05 10:15 AM, in article
XNSDd.29680$C8.10512@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk, "Androcles"
<dummy@dummy.net> wrote:

>
> "PDraper" <pdraper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:BE054FDB.8DA%pdraper@yahoo.com...
>> Let's see. Where were we?
>> You seem to be done with Randy Poe, so let's pick up somewhere near
>> where we
>> left off.
>>
>> However, unlike your discussion with Randy, let's try to stick with
>> the 1905
>> paper.
>
> That's what I tried to do with Randy, Paul, but he was lost in
> Einstein's notation.
>
>
>> Would you mind including the URL to the translated paper again for
>> this thread?
> Gladly.
> http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
>
>>
>> Also, in light of your discussion with Randy, I'd like to suggest an
>> amendment to the basic ground rules. Let me know if you agree to it.
>
> Err, the ground rules were already agreed to.
>
> "
> Draper:
> : Androcles, in your case, I will get over my disenchantment.
> :
> : But I want this to be a fruitful exchange between the two of us, so
> : let's agree on some ground rules. We'll go things one little step at
> a
> : time. When we get to a point of conflict, we'll identify what the
> : error is on either side, and the party in error MUST acknowledge the
> : error and remove the erroneous statement from further discussion.
>
> Androcles:
> I'll agree to your terms.
> My terms:
> Either one of us could inadvertantly make a typographical error
> or simple arithmetic error, and should correct it if noticed.
> I'd require: the error to be acknowledged and corrected; the
> discussion continued until I have convince you or you have
> convinced me. Failing to respond in a reasonable time
> is a Pyrrhic victory and unsatisfactory. The penalty for failing
> to respond is to be hounded by me at any time I choose.
>
> You are currently in violation of the ground rules.
> You have not responded in a reasonable time or acknowledged error.
>
> I see no good reason to agree to any further rules.
>
> Androcles.

Well, let's try it anyway.
We'll say that there is a fixed-length rod with an emitter and a receiver at
one end, along with a clock, and a mirror at the other end, along with a
clock. By "fixed" I mean the rod does not change length as time goes by.

We'll say that the clocks are synchronized in a frame of reference if:
A. The rod is stationary in the frame of reference.
B. t2 = (1/2)(t1 + t3), where t1 is the time of emission of a light pulse
from the emitter, t2 is the time of reflection from the mirror, and t3 is
the time of receipt at the receiver.

OK so far?

>
>
>
>
>>
>> In talking about the motion of the emitter/mirror/receiver system in
>> the k
>> and K frames, I will describe the system as I think Einstein intends
>> it, and
>> as I believe most readers read it. If you think this is NOT how he
>> intends
>> it, I'll ask you to show evidence in his paper that this CANNOT be how
>> he
>> intends it.
>>
>> This will prevent a hopeless stalemate where I say, "He's describing
>> this,"
>> and you say, "No, he's describing that," which is rather pointless,
>> considering Einstein is not around to correct either one of us, and
>> let us
>> move on to figuring out the truth.
>>
>> PD
>>
>
>

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