Re: behoynd SR masquerade

From: beda pietanza (beda-pietanza_at_libero.it)
Date: 01/16/05 

Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:48:01 GMT

"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> > "Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> > > > "Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> > > > > "beda" <beda-pietanza@libero.it> wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Hobba wrote:
> > > > > > "beda pietanza" <beda-pietanza@libero.it> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:GgDFd.3105$GU.87669@twister1.libero.it...
> > > > > > > If you take away the mask to someone, how can you be sure that
> he
> > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > wear another mask underneath ???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And under this other, another ???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So you can never know the real face of someone.
> > > > > > > can you get to know him trough the choices of the many
different
> > > > > > > masks he decides to wear????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but he knows that you know, and you know that he knows that
you
> > > > > know......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you are so sure SR is a conspiracy then why try to unmask it?
> > > > > Surely all
> > > > > > the conspirators will keep doing is fling masks at you just like
> the
> > > > > petrol
> > > > > > companies do to those that believe they are keeping 100mpg
> > > > > carburetors from
> > > > > > surfacing. After all it is one giant conspiracy so we can not
> > really
> > > > > > believe anything can we? - even that you are actually interested
> in
> > > > > > understanding relativity. So why bother? - if it is really a
> > > > > conspiracy the
> > > > > > conspirators will never admit to it will they?
> > > > >
> > > > > beda pietanza
> > > > > No conspiracy!!! In order to be there a conspiracy the
conspirators
> > must
> > > > be
> > > > > aware of it, this would make the conspirator potentially liable to
> > > repent.
> > > > >
> > > > > That a conspiracy is done at a level the conspirators do not even
> > > realize
> > > > is
> > > > > so silly it not even worth comment. Think about it - fudging of
> > facts,
> > > > > repressing articles, ensuring the press do not get hold of the
> truth,
> > > all
> > > > > done without any plan or even knowledge of those doing it. What
> > next -
> > > > the
> > > > > space shuttle was built by people sleepwalking and they just
> happened
> > to
> > > > > create something that worked.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rest snipped
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did you read my post two lines above ?? entirely ?? I'm reposting it
> for
> > > you
> > > >
> > > > No conspiracy!!!
> > > >
> > > > In order to be there a conspiracy the conspirators must be aware of
> it,
> > > > this would make the conspirator potentially liable to repent.
> > >
> > > Yes I did Beda. That is why I quoted you as saying it. And I stand
by
> > what
> > > I said. For the conspiracy to be done at a unconscious level - to the
> > point
> > > where the people concerned to not recognize it - is absurd.
> >
> > You are entitle to your opinion but not entitle to define mine:
> > as I said there is not any conspiracy; in my opinion SR is not a
> conspiracy
>
> OK Beda - you are not proposing a conspiracy. But that changes nothing -
It
> is silly to propose that everyone else is not able to see what you have
> seen. It is obvious when your ideas are constantly refuted you are
laboring
> under misunderstandings and misconceptions. I and others have tried to
> point it out to you but you will simply not see. Your rationalization of
> saying those that believe in SR are laboring under a mental strange
> attractor or whatever is simply a defense mechanism of exactly the same
kind
> conspiracy theorists have.

1)I said there is not a SR conspiracy (my opinion)
2)I said there is a psychological masses attractor at work for SR (my
opinion)
3)I said that, contrary to what SR sustains, a moving observer is aware of
his own absolute movement just by looking at the modification of the
visual appearance of the outer world (this is an argument with full
details in my original post)

Against 1) and 2) you can produce your opinions, but against 3) you must
produce a detailed counter argument, so please do so,
"" it may turn
out that the one having misconceptions are you, even though you feel
safe, locked in your SR believes.""

best regards

beda pietanza

>
> Bill
>
> > but
> > ""SR belong to those kind of theory and
> > believes that, for the strength of the suggestions that they imply,
> > they operate as a psychological mass attractors: once the trap has
> > been triggered there is little that can be done but ( the course of
> > history) must wait patiently till a new mix of circumstance, a new
> > "great deceiver" or prophet, if a new trap is at hand it may go
> > off; then the majority of the people will shift to the new belief and
> > live happily with the new as they lived happily with the old one.""
> >
> > > It is much more
> > > likely that the arguments you think are show stoppers for SR are
simply
> > > misconceptions on your part. And from what you write I am quite
certain
> > > that is the case.
> >
> > In my post that started the thread I sustain with figures and some
> arguments
> > that a moving observer is fully aware of his own absolute movement, if
you
> > think that there is a mistake in what I wrote, point it out, it may
turns
> > out that the one having misconceptions are you, even though you feel
> > safe, locked in your SR believes.
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > beda pietanza
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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