Re: 1c+1c Closing Velocity of Light and Matter

From: Henri Wilson (H_at_..(Henri)
Date: 01/21/05 

Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:05:42 GMT

On 20 Jan 2005 21:23:43 -0800, "jgreenfield@seol.net.au" <jgreen@seol.net.au>
wrote:

>
>Henri Wilson wrote:
>> On 19 Jan 2005 17:19:01 -0800, "jgreenfield@seol.net.au"
><jgreen@seol.net.au>
>> wrote:

>> >
>> >OK
>> >How long will Cassini be there (Saturn)
>> >Ghosts calcs gave .5sec from Saturn diff with source velocity of
>> >30km/sec.
>>
>> Let's see, Saturn is about 15E8 kms from us.
>> Light moving at c will takes some 5E3 seconds, or 83 minutes to reach
>earth.
>>
>> 0.0001 of that is 0.5 secs. Ghost is correct.
>>
>>
>> >So earth to Cassini diff with two satellites (earth orbiting) with
>rel
>> >speed of 14.6 k/s would be about .25 sec (signal would be
>RE-EMITTED
>> >by Cassini, so the returning signals would not be following c+v if
>we
>> >can match signal to Cassini when it is not approaching/regressing
>from
>> >earth).
>>
>> Yes. I get the picture.
>>
>> >At these distances, the tiny amount of travel of the source,
>compared
>> >to the time lapse between the returning signals, becomes
>insignificant.
>> >The positions of the emitting satellites could be determined
>acurately
>> >within a few kms (or less), while the order of difference in the
>> >positions of the returning pulses is 70,000kms
>>
>> Yes I believe that should work. I see no technical difficulties
>associated with
>> detecting and retransmitting the two signals (0.25 secs apart) by
>cassini. They
>> would have to be exactly the same frequency in case of any refraction
>effects.
>> In fact, the two signal arrival times only have to be recorded at
>cassini and
>> the combined wave shape relayed back any time.
>>
>> One would expect something like this:
>>
>> ~~~~~/WW\~~~0.25s~~~/WW\~~~~~
>>
>> The positions of the sources should be determinable to within metres
>using GPS
>> or other methods. At 7000m/s, 0.25 secs represents 1750m.
>
>And the returning signal is not picked up by the satellites, so who
>gives a stuff where they are then? All we need is this locating of the
>satellites at emission, so as to prevent any claims of influence in the
>time differential due to their separation.

Accurate positioning is critical though.
But there's no reason why the two sources shouldn't be almost adjacent when
they send the signals.
Did you suggest that before?
The two sources are arranged so that they are traveling in opposite directions
in almost the same orbits - but not so they will crash into each other. When
adjacent, they both emit their signals.

>>
>> The only problem I can see is that there might be some kind of EM
>reference
>> frame surrounding the Earth which will tend to unify the two
>velocities.
>>
>> Something like that apparently happens with distant stars because
>thermal
>> velocities of the atomic sources should have a significant effect on
>predicted
>> brightness curves and don't appear to do so (although I am not 100%
>sure about
>> that). That could be a result of a gaseous outer layer acting as a
>unifying
>> medium.
>
>I've long suspected that photons in a beam (as opposed to separated or
>sparse photons), "share" energy, if that is the right approach. They
>seem to have a preferred shared velocity, like a wing of ducks.
>Harmonics??

Yes, that's part of my H-aether theory.
Light interacts very slightly with other light that it meets in its travels and
it all tends towards a common velocity over great distances.

>I'd like to detonate an A bomb in space, and take a moving picture from
>here. The flash is very short duration (instant), but would the picture
>on the moving film be a line/spectrum?? I know different wavelengths
>travel at the same speed (from the same source), but there is something
>weird about redshift and Fraunhoffer lines which is sus

there's a lot of weird stuff out there Jim.

>
>Catchya
>Jim G
>c'=c+v
>>
>> >
>> >Jim G
>> >c'=c+v
>>
>>
>> HW.
>> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
>>
>> "If it's repeated often enough they'll eventually believe it"
>__Albert Bush

HW.
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