Re: A New Test may alter Time Dilation Law !

From: Ahmed Ouahi, Architect (ahmed.ouahi_at_welho.com)
Date: 02/06/05 

Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:43:20 +0200

............ ...Meissner : The discussion has shown what is the first
thing to be done. All physical concepts will have to be revised.

............ ...Einstein : The main thing now is to set up the most
exact experiments possible in order to test the foundation. In the meantime,
all this brooding is not going to take us far. Only those consequences can
be of interest that lead to results that are, in principle, accessible to
observation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!................ ... 

-- 
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!
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g...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Ahmed Ouahi, Architect wrote:
> > ..........      ...What the new research seems to throw into
question
> is not
> > only the fundamental principles of mechanics, it is something that
> appeared
> > to us till now inseparable from the very concept of a natural law.
> Could we
> > still express these laws in the form of differential
> > equations???????.........     ...
> >
>
> To form an equation for them, we would first need to explain why
> present results show slower atomic clocks on a plane versus that of
> Earth.
>
> 1. It can't be acceleration/deceleration only affecting time dilation
> for they would have determined this with different
> accelerations/deceleration tests for the same plane?
>
> 2. All that is left is that it "might" lead us to believe there is
one
> ABSOLUTE Universal Frame of Reference for Time (and perhaps velocity)
> and that the original belief that all is Relative in the Theory of
> Relavity is not true?
>
> 3. Or gravity is affecting the Atomic Clock measurements and the
> relation between the plane and Earth?
>
I personally would tend to believe that the gravity field of both EARTH
AND THE ATOMIC CLOCK may perhaps somewhat be similar to magnetic field
interactions between two objects.
So the atomic clock's gravity could be affected in a more intense
matter (especially since it's only a minuscule atomic gravity mass)
with it's relative motion to Earth's own Gravity which could perhaps
slow it's motion down and therefore the clock?
>
>
> > ...........     ...Besides, what struck me in the discussions that
we
> just
> > heard, is seeing the same theory sometimes relying on the old
> mechanics and
> > sometimes on new hypotheses that negate them; one must not forget
> that there
> > is not a proposition that one cannot easily prove in so far as one
> inserts
> > into the demonstration two contradictory
> > premises!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............      ...
> >
> >
> > -- Henri Poincaré
> >
> > --
> > Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
> > Best Regards!
> >
> >
> > <guskz@hotmail.com> kirjoitti viestissä
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> > > (Typing errors fixed from previous one)
> > > Setting:
> > >
> > > 4 people will call'em:       A, B, C, and D
> > > 2 platforms will call'em:    1 and 2
> > >
> > > A&B are on 1   AND     C&D are on 2
> > >
> > >
> > > Both platforms are together then 2 leaves
> > >
> > > Finally velocity remains constant between both platforms at:
> 1/3c
> > >
> > > SECTION AA:**** From existing theory C&D should age less "while"
on
> 2
> > > ****
> > >
> > > Test: (A&C are witnesses/observers)
> > >
>
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> > > B&D will depart and ALL will set their clocks to ZERO before B&D
> > > depart.
> > > B&D leave at 2/3c until they reach the other's platform.
> > >
> > > B&D note the arrival time and STAY *2 days* then each returns to
> their
> > > original platform and each note their return time.
> > >
> > > They do this several times and even lengthen the *2 days* to *1
> week*
> > >
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Conclusion:
> > >
> > > >From the laws of equality/proportionality (since each platform
> > > undergoes the same physics) therefore ALL B & D's recorded clock
> > > periods will be the same....
> > >
> > > but thee MOST IMPORTANT is that their *STAY* time should also be
> the
> > > same!
> > >
> > >
>
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> > > Contradiction:
> > >
> > > This contradicts the SECTION AA above which from popular theory
> says
> > > that the people on 2 (the platform that departed from platform 1)
> > > should age less during their *STAY* time on 2 ??
> > >
> > >
> > > Platform 1 can be Earth and gives the exact same results since
the
> > > model remains the same.
> > >
> > >
>
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> > >
> > > Testing:
> > >
> > > A plane has already flown about Earth to prove a clock slows down
> but
> > > it doesn't make sense as explained above? perhaps they could do
the
> > > same tests where B&D can be small guided rockets with a clock,
that
> fly
> > > from the plane (platform 2) and Earth (platform 1).
> > >
> > > It would be hard to get a small rocket to reach the plane so a
> faster
> > > Mach plane can help deliver the guided rocket to the plane.
> > >

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