Re: GOD=G_uv FOR IQ's OVER 150

From: George Hammond (nospam1_at_nospam.net)
Date: 02/08/05 

Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:41:12 GMT

"Lawrence Wong" <s371388@student.uq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:cu902v$hoi$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au...
> "George Hammond" <nospam1@nospam.net> writes:
>
>
> >> > To answer your question..... what I am saying is that if all
> >> >people could utilize the "ungrown/latent" part of their brain,
> >> >they would actually be "God incarnate" (God in the flesh)..
> >> >which, traditon has it, is what Jesus of Nazareth was reputed
> >> >to be.
> >>
> >> So if Jesus was who He claimed to be then he'd have no latent part of
His
> >> brain?
>
> >[Hammond]
> >Precisely correct. Actually we know he wasn't "100% fully
> >grown"....
>
> You "know" this because of the size of his head (on the shroud of turin?
> maybe?)

[Hammond]
Na... nothing like that... scientific reasons indicate it.
The "Secular Trend" in human growth is the measurement
of the increase in growth in each generation. This is a large
field of study that has been going on for 100 years. Data
shows that the human population is significantly far from
full growth today, and was even far worse off 2,005 years
ago when Jesus lived. Scientifically, it is simply statistically
highly improbable, in fact impossible, that he could have
been "fully grown".

>
> > but he was nominated as it were to play that role on
> >the world stage.... and in fact he probably WAS a magnificently
> >grown specimen... more fully grown and impressive than
> >Elvis Presley for instance... who was referred to as "the king"
> >he was so magnificent growthwise (take a close look at a picture
> >of Elvis sometime.. or Marlon Brando.. or Fidel Castro).
>
> I am correct in understanding that you are equating the size of the
> person's head with their brain size, and their brain size with their brain
> growth?
>
> > The "fully grown man" is referred to as the "son of God"..
> >simple because the "latent ungrown man" is God in Heaven..
> >and therefore if and when a fully grown one comes along...
> >he is called the "Son of God"... or "God incarnate".
> >So far no such individual has ever appeared... the reputaion of
> >Jesus notwithstanding. However... jesus is taken as the
> >"model" of what such a thing would actually look like and
> >behave like if it ever happened. It is in fact the universal
> >biological goal of the entire human race.
>
> If it is a goal, then there is a purpose.

[Hammond]
Yes.... there is a "goal and a purpose" to life.
The goal is in fact to reach "full growth" and every
human being is working on that problem every day
of his life. The reason everyone is trying to reach
"full growth" is that the fully grown man has what is
euphemistically called "Eternal Life"... and THAT
is the goal of life and what every person is killing
himself working 8 hours a day trying to obtain.
   The full grown man is de facto in a condition of
"eternal life" because he sees "real time" (i.e.
un-dilated, un-curved spacetime or reality). He sees
what is called "paradise on Earth"... he sees a
"perfect world"... has no fear, feels no pain,
is invincible, and even though he can get run over
by a car and killed.... he cannot "die" as we
know it... simply because he is in a condition of
"eternal life". We, in our present un-fully grown
state, cannot see real time, do not see paradise,
and ARE NOT in a condition of "eternal life"..
and therefore we greatly fear death, and undergoe
a myriad of sufferings.

> Sorry, my iq is not over 150, on
> an internet test it was 133 but I suspect that is too high, I think I'm
> around 115 or so.

[Hammond]
Like *** Feynman, I think my IQ is around 123.
Of course he was lying, but I'm probably not.

> As such I am stil trying to understand your arg. And at
> this point my main questions seem to be about the *ontological* nature of
> God.

[Hammond]
This discovery certainly is the fount of all ontological theories.

> On the one hand you seem to be describing a universe that has a
> goal/purpose, hence it would seem logical to see that a Creator God has
> initialed that purpose.

[Hammond]
Ah... well, at the present time in Man's existence we have a
"goal" and that is to reach full growth so we will have
eternal life and paradise, on Earth... this is called "kingdom
come" by the way in Theology. After Man achieves that..
i.e. reaches kingdom come.... then he no longer has a
goal in life and only remains living because he "likes it".
So the ultimate goal in life is to obtain a condition of
"eternal life" (aka to reach full growth). After achieving
that man has no "purpose" other than to enjoy it... and simply
functions by rational instinct. Ultimately man lives only
because he "likes it".

> On the other hand "God in heaven" seems to mean a
> shriveled bit of our brains...?

[Hammond]
Whoa... it means the "mental effect on perceptable reality
of having part of our brains shriveled". Having part of our
brains shriveled drastically effects our "reality".

> So I guess I want to know if according to
> your belief system, there is a God who exists independantly of humans?

[Hammond]
  I'll give you the short answer... which is NO.
Look at it this way... if there are no humans,
NOTHING exists.... not the world, not the Universe,
not God, not time or space, not anything.
  If you don't believe this there is a way to prove it...
imagine that all humans died tomorrow at 9am.
How would you ascertain, prove or demonstrate that
ANYTHING existed at 9:30 am? You couldn't. The
reason being is that "existence" only has an operational
meaning in relation to MAN. "Existence" is in fact, nothing
other than a "sensory function of Man".
  The definition of "existence" is in fact:

                  =Definition of existence=
       The property of being detectable or discernable
        by the 5 senses and mental function of Man.

> Is
> the "God in heaven" bit in our heads, the ungrown part, is that something
> the God who exists external to us has placed there so (as Paul writes)
> everyone knows there is a god, so that no one is without excuse (Romans
1)?

[Hammond]
Classically speaking, there is no "God external to us".. it only
APPEARS that God is external to us. This is because when
your brain changes (say some of it is only partially grown),
it changes your REALITY.... the world looks different. OK,
if you didn't KNOW that this was being caused by your
BRAIN... (which is not something we are born knowing)...
then you would ASSUME that some mysterious external
force was changing external reality... which historically, is
what most believers in God always believed... and in fact
continue to describe God in that kind of language. Of
course now we know better... there isn't any "God out there
fiddling with reality".... it is in fact nature fiddling with your
braingrowth which makes it LOOK like reality is changing.
  ON THE OTHER HAND.... don't get the idea that
religious people are stupid and deluded... the fact is that
if your braingrowth changes... "reality actually does change"
(as far as you are concerned)... so therefore, for all
practical purposes.. there actual IS a God "out there" as
far as any individual is concerned.

>
> >>
> >> > Now in fact this is impossible... since once you reach the age
> >> >of 18 you stop growing essentially, and whatever terminal
> >> >growth shortfall you ended up with stays for the rest of your
> >> >life.
> >>
> >> ok, but I'd imagine this problem may possible be overcome by science in
> >> the future (maybe?). I mean, it seems merely a genetic problem, so it's
> >> not that it's "logically impossible" but rather that at the present it
is
> >> impossible. Is that right?
>
> >[Hammond]
> >No... there is no royal road to full growth. First it is not
> >"genetic". As you know there are two things affecting
> >human biological development... NATURE (genetics)
> >and NURTURE (growth).
>
> So when you speak of "growth" you do not mean it is because we stop
> growing at a certain age. Which I understand is a result of some gene
> somewhere in our bodies which basically tells our bodies to stop growing.
> But rather the enviornment that we grow up in. So it is not the lenght of
> time, of the growth, but the quality of the growth within that fixed time?

[Hammond]
Correct. Growth essentially stops at age 18. But that
DOES NOT MEAN that you are "fully grown".
A stalk of corn for instance will stop growing after
say a few months... however, if it didn't rain all summer
it could be as much as 2 feet under its normal height.
It has a PERMANENT 2 foot "growth deficit".
The same is true for any living thing... including people.

>
> >It turns out that "God" is
> >NOT genetic and in fact is entirely due to "growth"
> > There is only one way to effect the impact of
> >"NURTURE" (growth)... and that is to raise the entire world
> >Standard of Living.... and that is what every human being
> >gets up and goes to work every morning and trys to do.
> >The Standard of Living has been climbing as you know for
> >thousands of years... and this is what accounts for the
> >Secular Trend in human growth (every generation is a little
> >more fully grown than the last). Obviously it will take
> >thousand of more years before we begin to see anything
> >like "full growth" (God in the flesh) appearing in the
> >population.
>
> This stnadrad of living, does that include our moral standards as well?

[Hammond]
Well for certain it includes, food, closthing, shelter, transportation,
central heat, hospitals, schools, governments, and just about
anything money can buy.... including a non-dysfunctional upbringing
which would produce bad moral standards which could further
stunt your growth... such as starting smoking at age 9 or something.

>
> > Not only that... you can't even buy it if you are rich...
> >rich families (like the Royal Family of England) who have
> >been millionaires for tens of centuries.. aren't that much
> >better of growthwise than the average person... well,
> >somewhat better off obviously (by looking at them)...
> >but even they are nowhere near being "God in the flesh".
> >Fact is.... were all in the same boat... there is only one
> >way to get there... and that is to improve the entire
> >world standard of living. By the way.... when we finally
> >cross the finish line thousands of years in the future
> >and God is actually walking around in the flesh on Earth...
> >that is referred to as "kingdom come" by the theologians.
>
> I think I'm following you. :)

[Hammond]
Anyone seriously looking for the truth about God
would probably listen to me... as they would recognize
that's what I'M looking for. However, so far I have
found such people to be rather rare in the scientific
arena.

>
>
> >>
> >> >As far as the brain goes... this "growth shortfall" causes
> >> >the phenomena of "God in heaven"... which is what the
> >> >"latent/partially grown brain" actually does... is cause
> >> >"God in Heaven".
> >>
> >> Because (I presumme) He's not "in us" (as He is the missing part of the
> >> brain), so He's elsewhere (ie. in heaven). So I guess as animal's
brains
> >> are not as developed as our that is why humans are "in the image of
God"?
>
> >[Hammond]
> >No... its more logical and simple than that.
> >the "ungrown" part of your brain is not actually "missing"..
> >it's just shrivelled and only "subconsciously working"
> >(it causes what is called the 'unconscious mind'). This
>
>
> I see I was misunderstanding what you'd written.

[Hammond]
Don't feel bad... so does everyone else apparently.

> Does this mean if someone
> became "God in the flesh" with their brain fully grown, they would have no
> unconsious mind (or subconscious)?

[Hammond]
Yes, exactly, precisely. And it sure would be something
spectacular to behold... you would be looking God right
in the face. Imagine meeting face to vace the only source
of help known to Man! Cripes... if you ever saw a person
like that you wouldn't be able to take your eyes off him...
you'd be looking at "eternal life" in the flesh... millions of
people would be following him around night and day.
This is why Jesus attracted such crowds... even though
he wasn't the actual real thing... he apparently was closer
to it than anybody had ever seen before. All he had to do
was step out into the street and it would cause a riot.

>
> >unconscius mind is an "invisible spirit" which invisibly
> >motivates and guides us and is the source for all our
> >motives, hopes, desires, fears, intuitions et cetera.
> >This "INVISIBLE SPIRIT" is "GOD".
>
> And so "God in the flesh" has no "invisible spirit" because they are in
> the flesh. It is only "invisible" when it is ungrown, is that right?

[Hammond]
Correct again... yes.

>
> >As Jesus himself said "God is a spirit" (John 4:24).
> >All I have done is scientifically discovered the cause,
> >and scientific proof of and description of that "spirit"
> >that Jesus spoke of. Hence I have discovered the
> >world's first "scientific proof of God".
>
>
> Ironically I've told some people, years ago, that one day scientists would
> discover the spirit and call it something else, and say, "See there is no
> spirit". Yet you seem to be doing just the opposite of what I predicted :)

[Hammond]
Yes you are correct... my position is that it indeed
IS the "God of the Bible", and that the Bible, the
Church, and world religion in general is
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT in their doctrinal
description of "God". My position on Religion
is that "its all true"...
Of course religion doesn't use the language of Physics,
however, Physicis has now proven that the language of
Religion is completely accurate and true when
interpreted in the light of the scientific explanation.

>
> > Stunningly... this "spirit" is described by Einstein's
> >theory of Relativity... i.e. it is ultimately caused
> >by GRAVITY... which is a major piece of news...
> >and a central point of the discovery.
>
> Yes, I gathered that much from your website.
>
> RAZA 2005

[Hammond]
I hope you'll keep in touch. You seem to have a positive
and constructive attitude and seem to have a natural
intuition for all this. Of the hundreds of people I've
talked to on the Internet... that is quite RARE!
I don't know if you realize that or not?
   For some time now I've suspected that I've been
"talking to the wrong people". I don't know who might
be the "right people"... but apparently you are one
of them... whoever "they" might be.

PS: Please be careful to use the identical title header as
mine when you post... I notice your word spacing in the
header is a little different. This can cause your post to
show up in another place on the newgroup rather than
in its correct position on this thread, and it might get
lost and I might not see it.

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