Re: Are Gravitational Waves Electromagnetic waves?

From: PD (pdraper_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 02/09/05 

Date: 9 Feb 2005 05:28:52 -0800

Ben wrote:
> "PD" <pdraper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<1107887843.127385.237990@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
> > Ben wrote:
> > > "PD" <pdraper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:<1107809499.787661.123740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>...
> > > > Ben wrote:
> > > > > I would like to offer a question to the masses.
> > > > >
> > > > > If gravitational waves are a ripple of space-time, caused by
a
> > > > > colossal event, then space-time will contract and expand
along
> > their
> > > > > path.
> > > > >
> > > > > If electromagnetic waves were a ripple of space-time,
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, but they're not.

The signals are different. The LIGO interferometer is sensitive to
spacetime ripples and is not sensitive to electromagnetic waves. Your
FM radio is sensitive to electromagnetic waves and not to spacetime
ripples.

> > > >
> > > > > caused by a
> > > > > minor event, then space-time would also expand and contract
along
> > > > > their path.
> > > > >
> > > > > If a photon decays into an electron, a positron and a
neutrino.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, but it doesn't.

This would violate at least two conservation laws that have NEVER been
seen to be violated in zillions of interactions: lepton number and
angular momentum. Moreover, electron-positron pair production from
photons have been studied in recorded interactions numbering into the
billions. If even a tiny fraction of those interactions also included a
neutrino, the energy carried by the neutrino would have been recognized
as energy not trapped in the detector, and this "energy defect" signal
would have stood out like a sore thumb. No such signal has been seen.

> > > >
> > > > > One
> > > > > being contracted space-time; one being expanded space-time
and a
> > > > > neutrino being residual energy.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, but that's not what an electron, a positron, and a
neutrino
> > are.

Spactime does not carry electric charge, lepton number, or spin, all of
which would distinguish your candidates from being spacetime.

> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Then would this elementary theory explain the basis of mass,
> > energy,
> > > > > electromagnetic waves and a myriad of other connections
between
> > > > > quantum mechanics and relativity?
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, but it's wrong.

See the above.

> > > >
> > > > PD
> > >
> > > Perhaps trying to think about what I have posted would be an
> > > interseting alternative to dismissing it. That way you might
> > > understand it.
> > > Of course your response will be dismissive and you will not try
to
> > > understand anything, so just don't reply.
> >
> > I did think about it. I just didn't give you all the reasons why I
> > dismissed it. Your mistake was thinking that it's proper to sketch
out
> > a new, from-the-ground-up concept, without worrying about whether
any
> > of the concepts match up with anything that's already known. This
is a
> > common mistake made by amateur or very young (perhaps that's the
same
> > thing) physicists; they think that progress is made by coming up
with
> > the Big Idea, the Novel Insight, and the details will follow later;
> > they think the big hurdle for getting acceptance of a new idea is
> > getting people to let go of their traditional thinking.
> >
> > If you like, I can go into the details about how I KNOW each of the
> > points you made are dismissable. Not *believe* they are
dismissable;
> > *know* they are dismissable.
> >
> >
> > PD
>
> Yes, please go into the details of how you KNOW each of the points I
> made are dismissable. It would be greatly appreciated.

Gladly. See above.

PD

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