Re: New impoved facts part 1v02

From: jahn (susysewnshow_at_yahoo.com.au)
Date: 03/25/05 

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:36:22 -0500

"Dr ***" <paulpsremove@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:1111788924.83968.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
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> "jahn" <susysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3aj8ipF6904gfU1@individual.net...
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> | "Dr ***" <paulpsremove@freeuk.com> wrote in message
> news:1111777565.78028.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> | > The theme of this thread is to determine and document a
> | > non paradoxical factual base for Special Relativity (SR).
> | >
> | > The following are simple provable or logically deducible facts
> | >
> | > a) The speed of light (SOL) is constant in vacuum and is
> | > used as a constant and has been asigned the letter c.
> | > b) From a) we can also state that the velocity of the vacuum
> | > is zero at the place of measurement and is assigned the letters vv.
> | > c) The SOL is independent of the velocity of the source as concluding
> | > other would require the SOL to be dependant on the velocity of the
> | > source which experiments and logic have concluded it is not.
> | > d) Given the above facts and the fact of spectral shift as a product of
> | > Doppler shift due to the motion of the source. This is proof of velocity
> | > differences of the SOL in the vacuum in the vicinity of the source *or*
> | > that the velocity of the vacuum changes so as to accommodate
> | > the constancy of c. The latter shall be the one adopted so as to simply
> | > accommodate the measured constancy of c.
> | > e) The conclusion from this is that the constacy of c is maintained
> | > by referencing itself to the vacuum velocity in which its being carried
> in.
> | > This indicates that the vacuum has n number of velocities and that they
> can
> | > be
> | > deduced from the velocity of c. It needs to be added that the vacuum
> | > accommodates its velocity to the dominant velocity of dominant matter
> | > and/or dominant field in its local area. With the area being defined by
> the
> | > strength and type of effect.
> | > f) The observer can from observation of the deviation frequency
> (spectral
> | > shift) of light with a known frequency, determine their velocity with
> | > respect to the vacuum and other sources with respect to the vacuum by a
> | > spectrophotometer and *computation*, in most cases. (note:- see
> cosmology)
> | > g) Many of the examples posted to this group and in establishment books
> fail
> | > to take account of the above facts and can be misleading both in concept
> and
> | > formulation. Also many of the past formulae are inappropriately applied
> | > and have been bringing these formulae into disrepute but correctly
> applied
> | > in the situations for which they were intended they should normally
> present
> | > no problems.
> | >
> | > The following is an updated scenario of the Bill and Paul in space suits
> | > type and includes the effects of length contraction and time dilation
> | > with some reasoning as to the cause of these effects.
> | >
> | > We start with Bill and Paul at rest relative to each other in the centre
> of
> | > a sphere of stars 20 light years away who's average velocity relative to
> | > Bill and Paul is zero. Both Bill and Paul have monochromatic light
> sources
> | > of which the other has the frequency of and is able to detect any
> variation
> | > of.
> | > They know they are stationary relative to the surrounding star field by
> | > evaluating the hydrogen spectral line shift from the surrounding stars.
> They
> | > do some tests and discover that they can determine their velocity with
> | > respect to each other and the surrounding star field by measuring the
> | > frequency shift of the surrounding star field and each others
> monochromatic
> | > light source. Now they also have watches that they can compare and they
> find
> | > that if one of them travels away and returns from the other at a c/2 for
> | > example then on his return he finds his watch reads an earlier time to
> the
> | > other who remained relatively stationary but if they both move away and
> | > return then their watches agree. Weird ain't it as it appears moving
> slows
> | > you down and you age more slowly. So get off the sofa and run about
> | > otherwise you will be dead earlier :-) Now what is the mechanism for
> this
> | > weird effect,
> |
> | Indeed! That dog has been chasing it's tail for 100 years.. About three
> | or four more laps should be all you need to catch it.
> |
> | Simply put the imaginary time axis in Maxwell's equations where it belongs
> | then real time will work on the railroad tracks and the 2 postulates will
> | reconcile without funny clocks and twins will age normally.
>
> Dont agree:-) which imaginary time axis?

In Maxwell it is advanced and retarded potential.
In SR it is the clock with a FTL path.
The clock "goes" because of how it "appears".

> |
> | Sheesh! Your are moving the city inside the jail cell rather that
> releasing
> | the prisoner.
> |
>
> I've released the prisinors but they went so fast you never saw them go :-)
> read the rest.
Here here! and rest the read!
Sue...

>
> | Sue...
> |
> | well we know that as you move faster the shorter you get if
> | > you are going head or feet first and this means that the atoms that
> make up
> | > your body will be distorted into an ellipsoid shape. Now atoms that have
> | > distorted into an ellipsoid will work/oscillate more slowly than atoms
> in a
> | > more relaxed spheroid shape. I think this will be shown by the hydrogen
> line
> | > being shifted when generated by an atom or particle under single axis
> stress
> | > and other measurements.
> | > Perhaps to be continued.
> | >
> | >
>
> Ardvark
>
>

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