Re: Coulomb derived gravity


"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Sue:
Coulomb forces are so immensly greater than
gravity there is no risk is assuming some kind of
phantom encoding like the balance function from
that BNL paper that I linked.

Removing Distortions from Charge Balance Functions,
S. Pratt and S. Cheng
Phys. Rev. C, 68, 014907 (2003), nucl-th/0303025, [local PDF]
http://www.keck.ucsf.edu/~chengs/research/distortions.pdf
http://www.keck.ucsf.edu/~chengs/research.html

Ken S. Tucker:
I've tried various *models* in the
past with limited success, but enough to wet
the appetite. To one of those models I applied
Einstein's Law (Guv = kTuv) and found it was
very nearly a solution.
So then I figured - why not base a solution on
AE's Law. That actually makes things much easier,
because that way I don't need to import my own
prejudices into the model.
Usually in GR one may just use the simple
Guv=0, but when solving for a naked charge couple
"a" and "b", the full Guv=kTuv is needed, and
that's interesting, because it requires a new
way of looking at fields, they need to be relative.
That's because the energy density "Tuv" arises
from the product of the Electric Fields (static
conditions) of "a" and "b" i.e.
T_00 == E(a)*E(b) == (a/r^2)*(b/r^2)
with "r" being radius. You can check for yourself
that the *dimensionality* is,
T_00 = p/r^3 where "p" is system energy given by
p = a*b/r as is classical.
BTW that's the simplest example I know of that
requires the use of Guv=kTuv.

Sue:
> If neither of these work, then you [Dr***] can apply
> your differential aging algorithm and we'll see
> if older charges are stronger or kinkyier than
> the younger ones. ;-)
> Seriously....(arragh!) a better understanding of
> how moving Coulomb fields maifest themselves
> as magnetism might add quite a bit to that picture.

Ken S. Tucker:
Yup, consider a pair of static charges in one
frame, then analyse that system relative to
one moving past it.

Sue:
> Ya see, It isn't to expensive to drag a few old
> magnetron magnets into the lab but the building
> owner gets all bent outta shape when we knock
> down a wall to put a few planets on the bench.


Ken S. Tucker:
Ha, if you ever get the inclination, I'd suggest
you analyse the poop out of a naked charge couple.

Once you do one couple thoroughly you've done them
all, because it sums linearly. For example consider
just the Earth and Moon, the number of attractive
and repulsive pairs of charges coupling the Earth
to the Moon is exactly equal (assuming electrostatic
neutrality).


Sue:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/4199bb83bcde7
1ed?dmode=source


JEFFREY F. GOLD
Department of Physics, Department of Mathematics,
University of Utah
ABSTRACT
Many attempts have been made to equate gravitational
forces with manifestations of other phenomena.
In these remarks we explore the consequences of
formulating gravitational forces as asymmetric
Coulomb charge interactions. This is contrary
to some established theories, for the model
predicts differential accelerations dependent
on the elemental composition of the test mass.
The predicted differentials of acceleration of
various elemental masses are compared to those
differentials that have been obtained
experimentally.
dr
Thats interesting do you have this data Sue.

Although the model turns out
to fail, the construction of this model is a
useful intellectual and pedagogical exercise.
dr
Does it indeed maybe my models at fault I've had a quick skim through their
model and I can see at lest one misconception I believe so will see if I can
study it to an explanation.
Sue

INTRODUCTION
The similarities in the expressions ... >>
http://www.lib.utah.edu/epubs/undergrad/vol3/gold.html

The balance function is a new observable based
on the principle that charge is locally conserved
when particles are pair produced.

dr
They might have forgotten the cosmic offset which is were the charge balance
techniques used might fail.

Balance
functions have been measured for charged particle
pairs and identified charged pion pairs in Au+Au
collisions at $\sqrt{s_{NN}}$ = 130 GeV at the
Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider using STAR.
Balance functions for peripheral collisions have
widths consistent with model predictions based
on a superposition of nucleon-nucleon scattering.
Widths in central collisions are smaller, consistent
with trends predicted by models incorporating late
hadronization.
Full-text: PostScript, PDF, or Other formats
http://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-ex/0301014

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