Re: Beginning ?


"TomGee" <lvlus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Bill Hobba wrote:
> "TomGee" <lvlus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > No, Hobbit, the reality is not in the application; that is only the
> > utility of the model. Math constructs are the backbone of
Theoretical
> > Physics and as such, they do not apply to real world situations
because
> > T.P. refuses to consider experimental research.
>
> That is absurd.
>
>

TomGee
Theoretical Physics, physics employing mathematical models and
abstractions rather than experimental processes. Microsoft ® Encarta ®
Reference Library 2005. © 1993-2004 Microsoft
Corporation. All rights reserved.

That is not what I am objecting to. I objecting to your invalid inference
'as such, they do not apply to real world situations'. The fact those
models make predictions that can be tested show your reasoning is false.

>
>
> Any theory that can not predict things that can be tested
> is not a valid theory.
>
>

TomGee
I did not say it was.

You said: 'as such, they do not apply to real world situations'. Which is
obviously false since a theory must be able to make predictions to be
testable so must apply to real world situations.


>
>
> That is the reason the creationist idea that God
> created the earth with dinosaur bones is not a valid theory - you are
not
> able to test it.
>
>

TomGee
And it predicts what?

For example the theory that Tom Gee is a brain dead moron predicts he will
carry on exactly the way you do.

>
> >
> > You only think your imaginary math applies to real world
situations,
> > but it doesn't.
>
> The fact it can make predictions that can be tested indicates
otherwise.
>
>

TomGee
But the predictions are as often false as true, if not more so.

No theory will be accepted as valid if it makes a prediction at variance
with experiment.

>
>
> > It is used to measure elements of the real world,
>
> Theory does not measure anything - it makes predictions.
>
>

TomGee
Not talking about theory, is your short-term memory so short that you
forgot we're talking about math constructs, or are you just trying to
get us off-track?

We are talking about physical theories which are generally mathematical
models.

>
>
> > but
> > it cannot be used to make valid conclusions about the real world.
>
> Theory obviously can be used to infer conclusions that can be tested.
>
>

Tom Gee
Unfortunately for you, inferences are no more than guesses in physics.

Translation: theories may not be correct which is why we test them. That is
fundamental to science.

>
>
> > You
> > keep insisting that math depicts the real world,
> >
>
> What I think about math is irrelevant -what is relevant is theirs
based on
> math make predictions that can be tested.
>
>

Tom Gee
If t's so irrelevant, why do you keep trying to support your arguments
with it? Ain't it stupid to do that and claim from the other side of
your mouth that what you think about it ain't relevant?

I do not support my views with my ideas on what math is about. I support
them with the fact that theories in physics are mathematical models that
make predictions that can be tested.

>
>
> > but that just shows
> > the faith you have which is wasted on science. You should waste
that
> > on religion, not physics.
>
> All the above shows is, as usual, you are very confuted about
fundamental
> things.
>
>

Tom Gee
Ha ha ha. Ran out of irrelevant remarks, did we? Pot. Kettle.
Black.

At least my remarks are relevant - yours are not.

Bill




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