Re: Slabinski and Mingst/Stowe disagree in Pushing Gravity

On Sun, 01 May 2005 04:57:50 GMT, aphidias@xxxxxxxxxx (Strael Nosduj) wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 Paul Stowe wrote:
>> ...how does one determine the value for µ???
>
> See the referenced web page, which gives the complete derivation in
> detail.

Really? I musta' missed the equation that quantified the value
of µ. Care to point it out?

> In brief, one determines the ultramundane flux and the absorption
> (and reflection if you're willing to accept small violations of
> Newton's third law for gravity) necessary to account for the observed
> force of gravity, consistent with the absence of any appreciable
> shielding.

This is quite vague and I presume that you're talking about the
weak limit, linearized cases.

> This amount of flux and absorption corresponds to a specific amount
> of energy absorption, ...

Duh!

> ... depending on the speed of the supposed ultramundane particles.

Ah, do you mean for the ultra-mundane particles of mass m' and
mean speed c that

dp = m'(dc)

and

dE = m'c(dc)

> Lower bounds on this speed are then determined, ...

Not by lack of aberration you can't! There are many specific detail
problems in the page you referenced. Barry took the time & effort
to point many of these out.


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/982030b9f3d78380?dmode=source&hl=en

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/3db4a663f4a27799?dmode=source&hl=en

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/53e6d3fafce5c1ad?dmode=source&hl=en

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/ab1f374a72cab477?dmode=source&hl=en

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/6fdf4a19783e5397?dmode=source&hl=en

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/7ba762e40f7fb88c?dmode=source&hl=en

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/440347db69626a4c?dmode=source&hl=en

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/3bfa252862d7d98c?dmode=source&hl=en

(Comment for the peanut gallery [this means YOU Dinky!]: Trying
to distract by references to irrelvant postings is the mark of
someone that has no capability for any other relevant technical
input.)

And this page is a moving target and is modified often. In the time
these were posted we have,


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/a5a08ded256cc736?dmode=source&hl=en

and it has continued to be changed...

Nature herself are not bound by assumptions and constraints placed
on model by those unwilling or too ignorant question them!

> .. giving lower bounds on the rate of energy absorption.

Oh, BTW the correct specific power equation is,

q' = ¥[rho)t
q' = (¿c/4pi)µ[rho)t

Since power flux ¥ is related to momentum flux by,

¥ = ¿c/4pi

You failed one implicit test of your knowledge of details of a
LeSagian model!!! Hopefully you are NOT the author of that
reference :)

Paul Stowe
.

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