Re: Have you ever wondered.....

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The difference between the two observations:
-In the case of time measurement, that does not include
comparison of different states.

>> My text is about observation and detection.
>> Both those word are absent in your reaction.
>> (Could you refer me to where I say what you
>> state I said? I don't recall it and I think you
>> are wrong. Please quote me.
>
> On 11/29/04 we had this exchange:
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> Me: But the other coordinate, time, is not physical,
> You: But it is, just as physical as space.
> Me: [Time] is not observable,
> You: But it is, just as observable as space.
>
Different definitions at different times! What a mess.

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>> The sensory input from the eyes to the brain is pictures.
>
> No, it's a stream of impulses.
>
Which represent pictures.

>> Pictures depict states. They don't depict motion.
>> So, the sensory input to the brain is states, not motion.
>
> That's correct. But to then do something with those impulses requires an
> intellectual,
> process. This process completes the act of observation. Therefore,
> observation includes
> intellectual processes. Therefore, the intellectual process of comparing
> of two states is
> also an observation. Therefore, motion can be observed, and therefore, is
> not inferred.
>
To paraphrase:
Observation is the intellectual conclusion we draw from
collected data.

-If we compare two states, all we can compare is positions,
which we have seen.
If these positions have changed we call that change motion.
This concept 'motion' is purely a result of the intellectual
process which compares the *seen* positions.
We don't *see* the motion, we *see* positions.
Motion is an emerging concept, it is not *seen*.
You want to call all of the process, from 'see positions'
to 'have processed the seen states' observation.

-The fact that there are two successive states which we
compare makes us aware that states of processes are
ordered.
All we *see* is the states, then we complete the act of
observation by the intellectual process of concluding that
these states are ordered. We call this ordering time.
According to your own definition this is a valid observation.


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Regards, Kees Roos



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