Re: Bending of light not well authenticated

On Fri, 13 May 2005 20:28:22 -0500, "Randy M. Dumse"
<rmd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>"John C. Polasek" <jpolasek@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:k5hv61l3c73c5ma29aj276jfvrtgdsrta5@xxxxxxxxxx
>> They may be self consistent but can you tell me, in fewer than 6
>> declarative sentences, what are the basic physics involved?
>
>Sure, that sounds like a resonable challenge. Let's see what I can do
>with it...
>
>Einstein's theory is one of curved space-time, not just curved space,
>and not just of curved time. As light passes through the the deeper
>gravitational field, it is slowed relative to the far away observer, and
>this causes it to be deflected somewhat as if it were in a prism
>(faster-region, slower-region, faster-region)
This slowing phenomenon you describe sounds just like an explanation
of the Shapiro effect, which is purely axial and is no part of
bending. Theorists at first tried to use bending to explain Shapiro
and now you are using Shapiro to explain bending.
I thought I would show you how you can get it from Schwarzschild, but
no, I found that neither extracting dr/dt nor dr/dx will work. (They
come out near unity). One needs a gradient such as DS' cdc/dr =
MG/r^2.
>As light passes through
>the the deeper gravitational field, it has "further to go", and that
>deflects the light with an equal component. So in the deeper field near
>a gravitating body, both the slowing of time relative to the far away
>observer, and the shortening of measurements relative to the far away
>observer, each deflect light by an amount equivalent to a Newtonian
>deflection of equivalent mass for a final effect 2x that of a Newtonian
>origin.
The Schwarzschild crunches time and space in two terms, which is what
I also do in Dual Space where light actually traverses the matrix of
uncreated ep+ pairs whose energy density c^2/2 is diminished by
gravity's depletion, while the cell size is equally increased, the
result being a double slowdown. But this slowdown affects the gradient
cdc/dr and Shapiro will have to look elsewhere.
>That's four statemens, so you may the remaining two statements to ask
>questions, as appropriate.
I think my original complaint is justified. None of the repsonses have
been, well, responsive. Even in MTW page 1101, the 1.75" is attained
even without integration.

John Polasek
http://www.dualspace.net
.

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