Re: relativity of simultaneity - real or perceived?



Here is a clear contradiction between Job Bell and Paul Stowe on
whether the relativity of simultaneity is real or perceived.
As I understand it from Paul, if the two photons really do arrive at
both ends of the box simultaneously, then non-simultanous measurements
of these events taken from another frame can still be used to derive
this fact.
Whereas Job Bell indicates that when viewed from another frame, a
different sequence of events actually occurs.
I notice that Paul's view seems to indicate a belief in an absolute
frame of reference (an actual or real physical progression of events).
Whereas Jon's view implies two different realities. Unless Jon you mean
that photon B is only *perceived* to arrive later? (Including also then
in frame 1 that they are only *perceived* to be simultaneous, perhaps).
But if so, would you agree Jon that in actual reality, regardless of
reference, they are EITHER simultaneous events OR not? Or do you go for
the 'there is no absolute reality, we can only know what we measure'
view shared by Dave A. Smith, and believe that they are both
simultaneous AND non-simultaneous, depending on the frame of reference?

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