Re: Imagine


"sue jahn" <susysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| > | > "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| > | > | << Sorry I read this as empty space does not have a absolute zero
| > | > | velocity so
| > | > | that the SOL can be measured as c in empty space because the
velocity
| > | > | of
| > | > | empty space accommodates its velocity to the velocity of the
observer
| > | > | and
| > | > | there measuring apperatus. >>
| > | > |
| > | > | Just *where* in this universe do yooze guys hope to find
| > | > | "empty space" ?
| > | >
| > | > Albert found some he wote about it in his 1905 paper perhaps its
become
| > lost
| > | > ? {:-)
| > |
| > | Yes... he was much more fortunate than Fermat, who
| > | had to write his last theorem in the margins.
| > | http://www.missouri.edu/~cst398/fermat/contents/theorem.htm
| > |
| > | Keeping old envelopes is a good way to conserve space when you
| > | do a lot of writing. ;-)
| > |
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | Sure... If you double your distance
| > | > | to a chunk of matter,
| > | > | the Coulomb coupling will drop by a
| > | > | factor of 1/4. But three of the chunk's
| > | > | mates will come into the aperture to
| > | > | help him tug on you. (3 + 1) / 4 = 1
| > | > |
| > | > | If each move reduces the coupling by a
| > | > | factor of 1, it only takes forever
| > | > | to get far enough from matter to ignore it.
| > | > | Couldn't we get George Lucas
| > | > | to cobble up some animation so we
| > | > | don't have to wait that long ? ;-)
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Hello Sue. Albert must have invented fantasy physics like fantasy
| > football
| > | > then, for fantasy physicists and footballers to play with?
| > |
| > | Well what would you do? ... resolve the postulates of SR with
| > | dull ole' near and far field electrodynamics like Weber or come up
| > | with some new and exciting explanation that hints of some control
| > | of time like Einstein did ? Any politician worth his rolodex of
| > | lobbyists know the answer to that one.
| >
| > Do you have any clear links to the relativistic comp of velocity Sue?
|
| Hmmm... comp = component ???

Copulation or compilation of velocity I'm not sure which. I think its to do
with 0.5c + 0.5c <>1c {:-) speeling checker gave me that first word so I
thought I'd use it for fun.

|
| > I'm wondering at the moment if much of this stuff on the group is due to
| > established misinterpretation and misapplication of formula as my
reading
| > so far is that he did not so much remove the dielectric but tried to
| > distance himself from the "stationary ether brigade" who I guess were in
| > full cry against his ideas at the time who then perhaps switched to the
| > "absence of anything brigade" perhaps to ridicule to start with but then
got
| > stuck with their own confusion perhaps due to limited imagination and
fear
| > of being contracted\dilated out of their socks. LOL
|
| Well ... I hope you will not feel your thunder has been stolen by others
to
| know some history.

Not at all I can still fart if I need any thunder {:-)

Yes... AE had many contemporaries with notions
| that Rene' de Cartes was a consultant to the god(s) when they were laying
| out the a rigid frame work for the universe to hang on... or whatever.
|
| Maxwell's field equations put a huge kink in that notion because the
| laws of physics would have to be different on a moving platform if such
| the rigid framework existed.
|
| So... Yes. Dispelling the notion of a "lattice" was important enough to
| fudge a bit and just completely do away with the term "ether". It would
| have been tough selling job to have to explain near-field effects that,
likely
| were just barely understood by the Oliver Heaviside. He is credited with
| much of the formalism for inductive and capactive reactance but AFAIK
| he never quite worked the imaginary components into near-field dipole
| parameters... prefering to Maxwell's flawed but approximate notion of
| displacement current.
|
| It is not surprising that AE banishes the ether in SR then seems to
| bring it back in some later works.

I've been reading his 1905 paper and if you read it with no preconceptions,
he IMHO defaults to a mobile dielectric state for propagation of EMR and
just specifically excludes an absolute rest dielectric so all this faf on
this group is generated by ignorance of the true thinking of Albert.

|
|
| >
| > |
| > | Eh... ya see the acclaim Weber got for using clocks that don't
| > | pay any attention to viewers? Few have ever even heard of him.
| >
| > Whats that ?
| LOL
|

Your over my head on this one, must be extra thick today.


| >
| > |
| > | Sue...
| > |
| > |
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | 377 ohms to ya!
| >
| > Yes, I seem to remember 300 ohm balanced feeder, how was this measured I
| > vaguely think we might have discussed this but the details evade me at
the
| > moment. I may have a paper on it but plead geriatricacy on Tuesdays {:-)
|
| Ahh... that 300 being close to 377 has no significance. You probably know
that
| and might have said 52 or 75 unbalanced line just as well.

Oh, shot down in my socks{:-) A little knowledge can get you holes in your
tights.

|
| >
| > Btw I was reading on another thread that clocks that had been de-synced
by
| > motion, re-synced when brought back to reference. Do you have any data
on
| > this because I was under the impression that once you had de-synced a
clock
| > by motion it could not be re-synced except by adjusting the clock that
had
| > moved ?
|
| In SR, AE uses clocks that *go* as they are *judged*.
|

I've not read that statment yet but how about the experimental fact of above
?

| You cannot buy these at Walmart. Light clocks dragged through a dielectric
| are only a close approximation for some of his equations.
|

How about real physical experimental facts on above without the SR faf.


| The correct use of imaginary numbers (i, j,) in the near field seems to be
| what he is groping for and his adoption of Mikowski's complex geometry
| seems adaquate proof of his motives incorporate imaginary time.

I'm still not unconvinced as to contraction\dilation being a real physical
function of the dilectric on structures allthough I think you are probably a
sceptic on this score ?

|
| Sue...
|
|
| > --
| > D & R *** E-field = Electric field, M-field =Magnetic field, two
unbound
| > field effects
| > http://home.freeuk.com/paulps/
| > Maybe updates. The spuds, beans and onions are coming up nicely. Ooh
| > ah.{:-)
| >
| >
|
|


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