Re: Imagine


"sue jahn" <susysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| "*** rD" <paulpsremove@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| > | > | > | snip
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| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | http://bigben.stanford.edu/sumo/status.htm
| > | > | > | > | > | http://bigben.stanford.edu/sumo/
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Just looking at these links looks intereting.
| >
| >
| > It appears there is no firm data yet but looks complex enough to
introduce
| > many unknowns ?
|
| Yes... far too many for anyone to be claiming that a fast atomic clock
| at atitude is any kind of proof of GR other than it's inherent reduction
| to forces predicted by Newton.


Perhaps

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|
| snip
| > | > | If the rest frame half-life is computed from the de Broglie
wavlength
| > is
| > | > | is likely a circular reference too. ;-)
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Reference link ?
| > |
| > | What? Both your muons and and your minons decayed ?
| >
| > You think I can afford minions and muons on my pension ? Any minons or
muons
| > I may have had have gone on to better things or decayed.
| >
| > |
| > | << In his work combining quantum theory and relativity, De Broglie
| > | assumed the existence of a cyclic process associated with a massive
| > | particle. A question arises immediately: why?
| > |
| > | The all too famous, and therefore trivialized, relation
| > |
| > |
| > | E = m_0 c^2,
| > |
| > |
| > | an interpretive result from special relativity, relates the rest mass
| > | m_0 to an equivalent energy E does not tell us, within the
mathematical
| > | arithmetic equivalence, what physically distinguishes m_0 from E; more
| > | bluntly, what distinguishes physical mass from physical energy. This
is
| > | a question to which there is still no satisfactory answer. >>
| > | http://graham.main.nc.us/~bhammel/FCCR/debroglie.html
| > | or
| > |
| >
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:xQtGYx7onLgJ:graham.main.nc.us/~bhammel
| > /FCCR/debroglie.html+de+broglie+paradox+nu&hl=en
|
| Hmmm that was acutually not the best URL for your question but
| minions that work for free are almost a bad as those from low wage
| nations. Waddaya expect for the vague promise of beans and taters ? :o)
|
| > |
| > | snip
| > | > | This might help:
| > | > | http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Current.html
| > | > |
| snip
| > | > pimple = 1 joule ROFL. I will now try and be sensible .
| > |
| > | I think you are groping for a way express muon lifetime as classical
| > | current flow. The above paradox should show why you need not bother.
| > | The rest frame lifetime was computed with the *assumption* that it
| > | world behave as SR's imaginary clocks, so by circular reference it
| > | works out.

I missed the groping prompt, sorry but I can be a bit slow at times in these
matter depending on which pair of underpants I've got on, consider yourself
groped{:-) but on the classical front I thought what I was after was a
system derived from a reference clock ( and you nearly got another typo
there) system were joules\ condoms were all derived from this reference
clock.


| >
| > I might have to read more on this as you seem very confident that the
| > results are a mathematical\experimental foul.
|
| Eh! Don't get drawn in by confident airs (heirs ? heiresses? )
| http://www.jdhodges.com/posters/paris-hilton-poster-842218.html
|
| I am not all confident I have a good grasp of classical patterns from
| quantum particle interference and how de Broglie gets his notions into
| a *real* pattern.

You are clearly very much ahead of me in the research path to coherence as
far as data acquisition and the interpretation thereof but I will hang onto
my variance views until overwhelmed by contrary data. I still have not had
time to look at some of your link but I will and much thanks.

|
| >
| > |
| > | It looks pretty embarassing when muon production height is considered
| > | tho. ;-)
| > |
| >
| > Your trying to dent my confidence in the variance of existence with your
| > invariant views but that view is so much more uninteresting and less
complex
| > than the variant view that I will fight to the death for variance in as
many
| > thing as I can as this is the main factor relieving the repetition
needed to
| > keep the system coherent. I haven't yet had a chance to look at most of
the
| > links from this post but I hope you haven't dug up anything that proves
| > invariance in time and distance as then I would have to go back to
throwing
| > valves at the garage wall {:-)
|
| Sheesh! How conformist! The whole physics community has been doing
| that for a century.

Glad I've run out of valves then how about 1kx1 dram is that strange enough
I must have a few hundred of those.

|
| >
| > |
| > | >
| > | snip
| > | > |
| > | > | My calculator does that when the electron valves need changing. I
| > would
| > | > | get a solid state device but I don't believe in quantum tunneling.
:o)
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Why not, as you, from a pratical pov cannot know the barrier state
in
| > sub
| > | > Plank detail so its got some leaks, what do you expect from a dam
made
| > from
| > | > bits of field state, perfection ? What valves do you need I may have
| > some
| > | > KT66's they will put a kick in it {:-)
| > |
| > | I need:
| > | QTY PN
| > | 24) EL 34
| > | 867) 6SN7
| > | 2357) 12AU7
| > |
| >
| > Brings back fond memories I may have odd one or two but I had a clear
out
| > some years back so I probably have none and definitely not in your
| > quantities.
| >
| > | Oh Yeah... ya wouldn't have 12 or 13 refrigeration compressors
| > | stashed away would ya ?
| >
| > I had one a little while back but that's part of the cryogenic
compressor
| > section of the anti matter engines in the last star ship I built or it
could
| > have gone up to the rubbish dump I'm not sure. What are you trying to
build
| > with that much glass the old analogue out of Blechley they used to win
WW2 ?
| > Might have some bits of that or similar that used valves. Ah fond
memories
| > as the bloody things self ignited because you had asked them to add one
and
| > one {:-) and the smell of burning paxolin from other bits of equipment.
Oh
| > nostalga.
|
| Shhhhhhh... You're spose to be growin' beans not spilling them.
| http://nerv.org.uk/photo_bletchley.html
| >
| > |
| > |
| > | >
| > | > | I expect you are comfortable with Pythagoras in polar/rectangular
| > | > conversion.
| > | >
| > | > Don't expect anything from an idiot if put under pressure I may have
| > | > forgotten{:-)
| > | >
| > | > | When you are in an expansive mood (presently I am not) try to
justify
| > the
| > | > | Lorentz transform for the same reasons.
| > | >
| > | > Found one of my kids GCSE mathematics books to remind me so thanks
will
| > do.
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | Both postulates of SR seemed quite compatable with a process that
| > | > | treated the path as three regions, near,---far---, near.
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Ok but does that not go against the group convention of stationary
near,
| > | > moving near ? perhaps they just need new glasses ?
| > |
| > | Indeed! Further proof that democracy is a bad idea.
| >
| > Depends on your pov but they may come round before they are dead
perhaps.
| > The trouble with dictatorships is they become ossified in there own
| > certainty and erode over time into individual dictatorships that may
fight
| > their way to a state of coexistence called a democracy. {:-)
| >
| > | I (alone ? )
| >
| > Yes you are the only one I have any common ground with at the moment
AFAIK.
| Not true. I have seen several posters point out that AE's etherless paths
are really
| a "bait and switch" to dispell the notion of a rigid framework.
| They just don't want to associated with a kooky bean farmer and I can't
| say as I blame them. :o) Saffron growers pass a much sweeter smelling gas!
|

Well warn them not to become too esoteric otherwise us bean farmers will not
understand them and they may become etherists and then everybody will laugh
at them including us bean farmers. {:-) Saffron makes you fart even more
than beans as I understand it. It just smells sweater until you gag on it.

| >
| > |did not complain that you wanted to
| > | use "the vacuum" as a point of reference. Why?
| > | Because the nearest charges are a large component of
| > | the Coulomb force that is being modulated by the
| > | EM wave's passage.
| > |
| > | Except for some kind of impossibly deep and voluminous
| > | vacuum, the nearest charge is representative of a local
| > | frame of reference. Astronomers treat our solar system
| > | that way with good results.
| > |
| >
| > You cheer me up, if only we can agree on a clearer definition of
| > charge,energy and potential and their relationships that can be used to
| > build an electron ect we might be seeing eye to eye.
|
| Eh! 200 years of trubulence muddied that water... not us.

But the more that calm the waters with coherence the easier it will be to
see the shore.

|
| >
| > | << Barycentric Dynamic Time (TDB) is the same as as Terrestrial
Dynamic
| > | Time (TT) except for relativistic corrections to move the origin to
the
| > | solar system barycenter. These corrections amount to as much as about
| > | 1.6 millisends and are periodic with an average of zero. The dominant
| > | terms in this correction are have annual and semi-annual periods.
| > | TDB = TT + 0.001658 sin( g ) + 0.000014 sin( 2g ) seconds
| > | where
| > | g = 357.53 + 0.9856003 ( JD - 2451545.0 ) degrees
| > |
| > | and JD is the Julian Date. A more accurate formula, with adds terms
| > | smaller than 20 microseconds, is given in the Explanatory Supplement
to
| > | the Astronomical Almanac [ref 4]. Planetary motions are now computed
| > | using TDB.
| > | There is a subtle relativistic distinction between coordinate time and
| > | dynamic time, which is not significant for most practical purposes.
| > | >>
| > | http://www.cv.nrao.edu/~rfisher/Ephemerides/times.html#TBD
| > | >
| > | > | That looks mathematically a bit more complex that a dose of
| > Pythatgoras.
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Yes indeed, but leaving the jam out of the donuts feels like a major
| > crime
| > | > to me ?
| > |
| > | You could use 2 transforms to go near-far-near. Unless you need to
| > | analyze one end indepedently, then combining the two transforms should
| > | be OK. Eh?
| >
| > Yes I think so but the devils in the detail as I'm still worrying like a
dog
| > at the popular one and haven't yet got it dismantled and laid out on the
| > bench yet and the facts to construct a replacement are still obscure and
| > buried in tons of detail.
|
| Actually, I was looking a bit closer at the acoustic version. If you claim
| AE was doing a "bait and switch" with the ether, I think that is the one
ya
| have to use. It may in some cases reduce to a single transform.
|
| If nothing else, Pound-Rebka is proof that Doppler is operational for
| motion of either sending or receiving structure.
|

Perhaps but I saw it more as a gravitational effect how do you see PR as
Doppler ?. Is it not all tied in with inversely proportional time\distance ?
to stabilise the energy balance between relatively moving systems and still
keep the sol constant locally so you don't have problems with physical
process due to relative velocity and constant c like paradoxes etc.?
Because as I read it if you do have actual contraction or dilation due to
gravity or velocity the other *must* change in an inversely proportional
manner otherwise c becomes locally variant and the cabbage boils over.
--
D & R *** E-field = Electric field, M-field =Magnetic field, two unbound
field effects
http://home.freeuk.com/paulps/
Maybe updates. The spuds, beans and onions are coming up nicely. Ooh
ah.{:-)


| Sue...
|
|


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