Re: GR ?


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> | > | > | > | For example what is the
> | > | > | > | generalization of the Newtonian potential in GR?
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> | > | > | > A momentum 4-vector. Is that the reply you were looking for ?
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> | > | > | Wrong. Learn the basics before criticizing a theory you
obviously
> | > know
> | > | > | nothing about. The answer is the metric.
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> | > | > I'm sorry that your application of the meaning of words is so
> | different
> | > to
> | > | > mine, you clearly write a different language to me using the same
> | > notation.
> | > | > Your claimed answer to your question was so trivial and incomplete
> | that
> | > I
> | > | > had no idea that was the level of reply you were after.
> | > | > http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0305-4470/10/6/013/
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> | > | Just for my enlightenment: this *is* meant as a joke, right? You
> | > | don't really think that the "Newton" in "the Newtonian
[gravitational]
> | > | potential" is Roger G. Newton, Professor Emeritus at Indiana
> University,
> | > | do you?
> | > |
> | > | Steve Carlip
> | >
> | > What me tell a joke, heaven forbid,. Bill asked about Newton potential
> to
> | > which I gave him a reply which he claimed was wrong so as Bill's a bit
> | fond
> | > of red herring I gave him a piece of battered cod to help his brain
> | > cells{:-)
> |
> | The link between the Newtonian potential and the metric is well known
and
> | foundational to GR - see equation 4.22 of
> | http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll3/frames.html
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> | Instead of posting sarcastic pieces of misdirection; it might be a good
> idea
> | to acquaint yourself with the theories you are criticizing before
posting.
> |
> | Bill
> |
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> Thanks for the link Bill but on a quick read through I could not find your
> definition of Newtonian potential but it did seem to be tying it into 4
> vectors as per my definition.
> Perhaps you could point *your* definition out to me ?

Since you wish to engage in you usual practice of evasive misdirection by
claiming I was discussing a definition when I was discussing the
generalization of the Newtonian potential to the metric in GR we will
disuses a definition - namely your proposed definition of energy as 'My
position is that all energy is a function of relative states of length and
time deformation with the use of the word deformation not implying that any
intrinsic force is present in this deformation.'. Assuming your tripe can
be given any actual meaning beyond the word salad it so obviously is let us
first discuss why you wish to propose a definition at variance with the
modern one used in physics - namely the conserved Noether charge related to
time symmetry. This time I will not accept evasion - if you do not answer I
will simply keep repeating it.

Bill

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