Re: Why relativity is infalsifiable

Daniel Weston:
>El: Thank you for your well reasoned post above. We both agree that
>relativity's doctrine of Proper Time is suspect. More specifically, the
>K&H experiment which allegedly proves Proper Time, can be reasonably
>thought of as
>non-dispositive, incomplete, and hence of limited persuasive value.

By the exact same argument, so is the pythagorean theorem. Your argument
applies to both or neither. Take your pick. Applying your argument to
only relativity and proper time simply indicates an inability to go
beyond the naive world view developed early in life.

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>However it does appear to me that we object to Proper Time for different
>reasons. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that Proper Time
>was not sufficiently proven by the K&H experiment, and for the reasons
>that you gave above.
>I do not possess your scientific knowledge or expertise, and am
>therefore more hesitant to take relativity head on.
>My problem has always been, if Proper Time is valid, how can it be
>consistent with the doctrine of relativity that motion is relative?
>Past attempts to answer my question, have always involved recourse to
>deeply arcane relativity math, which is presumed within relativity to be
>correct. I have gotten the impression that I am being subjected to
>circularity.
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>Assuming arguendo that the doctrine of Proper Time is correct, do you
>find it inconsistent with relativity's doctrine of motion being only
>relative? The disparity of the clocks reading upon reuniting appears to
>be absolute. I acknowledge at the outset that my suggestion of
>relativity's inconsistency is most tenuous, or it would have been
>pointed out before.
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