Re: Why Sagnac disproves Special Relativity.


Androcles wrote:
> "sue jahn" <susysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> | "Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message
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> | > "sue jahn" <susysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > news:42f256bc$0$18637$14726298@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >
> | > | Harumph! :o)
> | > | OK... I will print it and give it a bit of 'stream side'
> | > | perusial. But if I am distracted by ripples on the water,
> | > | YOU will be blamed for putting too much ascii maths in
> | > | it. Lewis Carroll didn't have to resort to such distractions
> | > | and we understand perfectly what he taught about causality.
> | > |
> | > | Sue...
> | > You want the abstract without the hard sums?
> | > (sigh....) I should have written one anyway.
> | >
> | > Skipping all the hard sums that we enjoy so much, according
> | > to Einstein "moving" clocks run slow to make c+v and c-v into c.
> | > So it is GrandPop watching his grandchildren riding a Sagnac
> | > carousel that doesn't age so fast, but they must be carrying
> | > flashlights.
> | >
> | > Ok so far?
> |
> | Einstein may say that eleswhere. In SR I can only find *imaginary*
> | clocks that he had *defined* to slow with motion. If I tell you about
> | a 'dog in a manger' would you ignore it's lesson on learning I have
> | never been on a farm?
>
> See how impulsive you are?
> You shoot from the hip and hit you own foot every time.
>
> |
> | > No, of course not, I put the physics at the end and you didn't get
> | > to read it yet.
> | >
> | > Now for the best part, and where you come in.
> | > It is well known that women collectively spend millions of dollars
> | > anually on cosmetics and skin creams to prevent aging and look
> | > younger than they are, and they like jewellery too. What I want you
> | > to do is design a bangle or necklace for me with a light guide in it
> | > so that you can rotate it instead of twiddling your thumbs, and
> | > stay forever young as we old guys get older. With the right
> | > marketing techniques we'll make a fortune. Imagine 100,000,000
> | > women in the USA alone spending $1000 each. I want the
> | > European market, you can the USA and Canada, we'll give the
> | > rest of the world market to charity.
> | >
> | > This the physics part that makes it all work.
> | > The speed of light on a Sagnac carousel, whether conducted around a
> | > light guide or bounced by mirrors, is source dependent (or medium
> | > dependent in the case of a light guide, but the light guide is part
> of
> | > the carousel).
> | > To an observer riding the carousel its speed is c. We'll use c for
> the
> | > light guide as well, even if it has a different numerical value.
> | > To an observer standing beside the rotating carousel, the speed
> | > is c+v clockwise and c-v counterclockwise.
> | > To see this in terms of special relativity, the "stationary" frame
> of
> | > reference is the carousel and the observer beside it has the
> "moving"
> | > frame of reference. "Stationary" simply means the FoR in which the
> | > speed of light is c and "moving" is the FoR that has doppler-shifted
> | > light. So the stationary observer is actually the "moving" frame
> | > of reference and the moving carousel is the "stationary" frame of
> | > reference.
> | > This isn't so strange as it first appears, Einstein describes it in
> his
> | > opening paragraph of "Electrodynamics".
> | > http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
> | >
> | > I've seen the light and the error of my ways.
> | > Forgive me, Sir Isaac, for I am about to sin.
> | > I'm gonna join the Holy Church of Relativity and get baptised in
> | > schnapps und glüwein; I suggest you (Sue, not Isaac) do the same.
> | > Now go back and read by proposal again and it should make sense.
> | > Do we have a deal? (no harrumping now, and don't let the ripples...)
> | > Androcles.
> |
> | You are preaching to the choir. But...
> | "2. On the Relativity of Lengths and Times
> | The following reflexions are based on the principle of relativity ..."
> |
> | What does the good professor mean by 'reflexions'?
> | I take that to mean musings, expansive tho't or brainstorming.
>
> Of course. I would too. I dunno how "good" he is, though.
> |
> | If you want to disprove AE 'reflexions' you probably have a
> | wonderful case but you become a party to the obfuscation
> | and many misinterpretations when you attach innocent musings
> | to his more formalised statements.
>
> | Sue...
>
> I have disproved AE. Sagnac turned out to be the perfect vehicle
> for a formal mathematical disproof of special relativity, even if
> Sue Jahn doesn't comprehend ASCII math. I hope I included
> every aspect, I shall pause to see if I have overlooked anything
> by appealing to this newsgroup for criticism. I'm sure there will
> be no shortage of that, sal has plonked me, but he did so out of
> ignorance and refusal to read something that denies his religion,
> a petty and emotional response typical of the morons that support
> SR.
> If I find anything I shall make appropriate corrections, and if I do
> not I shall publish my paper under my own name. It was always
> my intent to delay publication until this year, prior to June 30th,
> but unfortunately I've been delayed since January through illness.
>
> Androcles.

Sal 'plonked' you because you are a verbose goofball who doesn't
understand SR, GR, QM, or any other useful tool derived through
physics. Only a fool claims he has disproved something he obviously
doesn't understand. You've proofed you're a fool.

.

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