Re: "Is There a Force of Gravity?"

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:28:36 +0000 (UTC), stephen@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:

>Joe Fischer wrote:
>> I dom't know what you want, vector values in
>> polar or rectangular coordinates?
>
>I wanted your explanation about how the expansion of the
>earth and moon explains the moon's orbit.

If you are a student, please don't pay attention to anything
I say. I think you have it backwards, why do you think the
moon should go straight?

>>> Can you answer the question or not?
>
>> No, and Newton can't explain how "gravitational
>> forces" cause the moon to fall one-eighth of an inch
>> every second.
>
>So why did you claim:
> > Just think. no mysterious forces or abstract coordinte systems
> > needed.
>??

Because Newton, and most other models need mysterious forces
or abstract coordinate systems to work, the Divergent Matter model
only needs expansion of matter.

>Apparently you do need mysterious forces, as you cannot
>explain the moon's orbit with expansion.

At one instance the moon has a vector relative to Earth,
the Earth expands a lot, the moon expands a little, and the
second gets a little longer.
The moon's vector has a substantial radial component,
and if the orbit appears perfectly circular, the outward radial
component is equal to the amount the Earth expands.

Your training has lead you to believe that without
mysterious forces acting, the moon follows a straight line,
but that requires something to make it follow a straight line,
and that something doesn't exist.
If matter is expanding, a straight line becomes very
difficult to define, the DM model doesn't use space as a
controller for straight line motion, objects move relative
to each other.
If the moon does not have enough velocity to escape,
it can never leave the vicinity of the Earth, no matter which
direction it appears to take.

><snip>
>
>> The Divergent Matter model is clearly
>> possible with contact interactions, ONLY.
>
>But gravity clearly operates in situations where
>there is no apparent contact, such as between
>the Earth and the moon.

According to Newton, yes. Every
particle of the Earth tries to follow an inertial path
around the moon, and every particle of the moon
tries to follow an inertial path around the Earth.
They both expand to fill space so that the
path they take appears as a circle or an ellipse.

But the centers of mass of both the Earthj
and the moon move in inertial motion. Newtonian
gravitation requires that they deviate from inertial
motion, by the action of a "force".
I think perhaps a gif is needed to illustrate
how matter expanding can cause the various
phenomena related to gravity.

Your statement still says that if the Earth
and moon are not pulling on each other, they will
travel in straight lines.
All pulling on each other can do is make
them closer together, and that requires action at
a distance.

Matter expanding makes them closer together,
and it does not require them to be pulling on each other.
It is the same result without the action at a distance.

>> All other models seem to need hypothetical
>> particles, computer controlled ether medium, or
>> radiation "billiard balls" coming from all directions.
>
>> I know all gas molecules repulse each other,
>> so expansion would not require anything new or
>> unknown.
>
>Gas molecules repulse each other due to electromagnetic
>forces.

Right, and that is the only thing that can cause matter
to expand.

Joe Fischer

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