Re: force


significant zero wrote:
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> | significant zero wrote:
> | > "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> | > | significant zero wrote:
> | > | > "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> | > Nice one but it it suggests that charges and cultures are made of
> | > something other than space
> |
> | I certainly hope they are different.
>
> Different yes but of the same basic substance ? time/space ?

I expect a house to be built of bricks, and bricks of sand.
I wouldn't expect a house to be built of miniature houses.
Why do you expect matter to be built of matter?

Calling the absence of matter by the mathematical term
'space' doesn't resolve the issue. Call it taffy, or ether or
fairy dust... but don't delude yourself into believing that
application of an abstract name, space, banishes the force
we can easily measure between charges.

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> snip
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> | > Would it perhaps be more accurate (given no real knowledge)
> | > to say that space is
> | > differences in existence with the same statement being true for
> matter
> | > and its effects. ?
> |
> | Not till ya show us a charge-pair conjured from light.
> | I know there have been some recent attempts but I
> | don't have the URL handy.
>
> You seem to be saying that you think charges, light and space are
> fundementaly intrinsicaly different and not just the product of a
> different
> assembly line using the same basic material (time/space) ?

time and space are between the pages of mathematical textbooks.

Energy, mass and displacement are the things we can measure.

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> |
> | >
> | > | Time is an abstraction that relates such anhilation to
> | > | space.
> | >
> | > An abstraction of space ?
> |
> | Space doesn't need further abstraction other than x,y,z.
>
> Why not ? perhaps a significant aspect of space is its time aspect

Perhaps Amy Noether preferred energy. She looks rather
big boned and muscular, so argue at your own risk. :o)

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> |
> | Time is an abstraction that expresses the *relationship*
> | between displacement and mass/energy conservation.
>
> So time is an abstraction of space ? and is used to express the
> relationship between one space and another space ? and the character of
> any space ?

Very good! You just wrote a paragraph that can be completely severed
from the physical world and squashed between the pages of a maths
book. Now... Can you write the same paragraph using terms
energy, mass and displacement?

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> |
> | >
> | > |
> | > | << the energy is conserved if and only if the physical laws are
> | > | invariant under time translations (if their form does not depend
> on
> | > | time) >>
> | > | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem
> | > |
> | > | Howzat, Mr. Moustache?
> | > | Sue...
> | >
> | > Balls to stump as they may say in cricket (:})
> | >
> | > Do you (or Noether) mean local time or average(cosmic) time in
> which
> | > this poorly defined condition (that cannot include time) is
> connserved
> |
> | The time as measured by the drag-strip official's watch or the
> | fuelers calibrated can.
>
> local average time I think you mean by this ?
I meant nothing other than:
E = mc^2
or
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif

Ya think they are wrong?
http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/BigPictures/Noether_Emmy_3.jpeg

GAWD! Talk about stopping clocks? :-)

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> | Neither knows if a car improves it elapsed
> | time by getting lighter or exerting more force because F = ma.
> | Both can detect an improvement.
> |
> | IOW... a rail passenger three galaxies away will note a correlation
> | between the fuel used and the official's watch unless lightning
> | strikes them simultaneously. :o)
> |
> | Sue...
>
> I think you must be refering to local fuel used and local official's
> watch and are making no comitment that they will be the same (for the
> same senerio) three galaxies away, perhaps at different gravity if
> compared. ?
Forget the galaxies. I should not have mulitplied by one.

I meant nothing other than:
E = mc^2
or
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif

Sue...


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> | > Sig zoro
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