Re: force

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Sue... wrote:
> significant zero wrote:
> > "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > |
> > | significant zero wrote:
> > | > |
> > | > | significant zero wrote:
> > | > | > "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > | > | > news:1131181506.305345.277030@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > | > | > |
> > | > | > | significant zero wrote:
> > | > | > | > "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > | > | > | >
> > news:1131139215.491051.228040@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > | > | > | > snip|
> > | > | >
> > | > | > snip
> > | > snip
> > | > | > Nice one but it it suggests that charges and cultures are made
> > of
> > | > | > something other than space
> > | > |
> > | > | I certainly hope they are different.
> > | >
> > | > Different yes but of the same basic substance ? time/space ?
> > |
> > | I expect a house to be built of bricks, and bricks of sand.
> > | I wouldn't expect a house to be built of miniature houses.
> > | Why do you expect matter to be built of matter?
> >
> > That is not what I was saying I was saying that matter was an aspect of
> > time/space i.e compressed time space that exists within less compressed
> > time
> > space.
>
> You are substituting the word space for ether.

That the opinion of a dentist (:-)

>
> Yes... I am being picky.
> We can define H W D to be all on the same axis
> compute its volume but it will represent no space.

Volume is not applicable to single axis time or space, distance is the
normal result.

>
> If there were a place where unlike charges did not
> exist or did not attract... we could still compute its
> volume.

Only if had at least 3 axis.


> It would be space... but nothing like the one
> that we live in.

If charges did not exist or function then time and space may not exist
or function,


>
> Our ability to imagine or measure volumes has no
> relation to phenomena that might occur in the volume.

Are you shure of that ?

>
> >
> > |
> > | Calling the absence of matter by the mathematical term
> > | 'space' doesn't resolve the issue. Call it taffy, or ether or
> > | fairy dust... but don't delude yourself into believing that
> > | application of an abstract name, space, banishes the force
> > | we can easily measure between charges.
> >
> > The force between charges could be the state that existes in the less
> > compressed time\space between states of compressed time\space. ?
>
> Pair annhilation would certainly seem suggest the state of
> *ether* changes. Our measure of time and distance is in
> no way altered in the volume. (Coulomb gauge)
> http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034
> We have seen serial photos to prove it.
>
> >
> > |
> > | >
> > | > snip
> > | > |
> > | > | > Would it perhaps be more accurate (given no real knowledge)
> > | > | > to say that space is
> > | > | > differences in existence with the same statement being true for
> > | > matter
> > | > | > and its effects. ?
> > | > |
> > | > | Not till ya show us a charge-pair conjured from light.
> > | > | I know there have been some recent attempts but I
> > | > | don't have the URL handy.
> > | >
> > | > You seem to be saying that you think charges, light and space are
> > | > fundementaly intrinsicaly different and not just the product of a
> > | > different
> > | > assembly line using the same basic material (time/space) ?
> > |
> > | time and space are between the pages of mathematical textbooks.
> > |
> > | Energy, mass and displacement are the things we can measure.
> >
> > By measuring their time/space in relation to other time/space.?
> Ugggh!
> Einstein tried that. Are you suggesting that ships might better
> navigate by Coriolis curves rather than lat and lon?

The practical may subvert accuracy.

>
> Would a CS based on the Coriolis effect better explain the effect?

It may do.

>
>
> >
> > |
> > | >
> > | > |
> > | > | >
> > | > | > | Time is an abstraction that relates such anhilation to
> > | > | > | space.
> > | > | >
> > | > | > An abstraction of space ?
> > | > |
> > | > | Space doesn't need further abstraction other than x,y,z.
> > | >
> > | > Why not ? perhaps a significant aspect of space is its time aspect
> > |
> > | Perhaps Amy Noether preferred energy. She looks rather
> > | big boned and muscular, so argue at your own risk. :o)
> >
> > Can be a very convincing argument if you are alive. (:-)
> > Energy could be perhaps be defined as the condition that exists between
> > states of time\space.
> If you name is Leibnitz you can probably come up with a few
> more variations than just that. :-)
> http://faraday.physics.utoronto.ca/PVB/Harrison/ConceptOfEnergy/ConceptOfEnergy.html
>
>
> >
> > |
> > | >
> > | > |
> > | > | Time is an abstraction that expresses the *relationship*
> > | > | between displacement and mass/energy conservation.
> > | >
> > | > So time is an abstraction of space ? and is used to express the
> > | > relationship between one space and another space ? and the
> > character of
> > | > any space ?
> > |
> > | Very good! You just wrote a paragraph that can be completely severed
> > | from the physical world and squashed between the pages of a maths
> > | book. Now... Can you write the same paragraph using terms
> > | energy, mass and displacement?
> >
> > Tweek my tail and find out (:-)
> >
> > |
> > | >
> > | > |
> > | > | >
> > | > | > |
> > | > | > | << the energy is conserved if and only if the physical laws
> > are
> > | > | > | invariant under time translations (if their form does not
> > depend
> > | > on
> > | > | > | time) >>
> > | > | > | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem
> > | > | > |
> > | > | > | Howzat, Mr. Moustache?
> > | > | > | Sue...
> > | > | >
> > | > | > Balls to stump as they may say in cricket (:})
> > | > | >
> > | > | > Do you (or Noether) mean local time or average(cosmic) time in
> > | > which
> > | > | > this poorly defined condition (that cannot include time) is
> > | > connserved
> > | > |
> > | > | The time as measured by the drag-strip official's watch or the
> > | > | fuelers calibrated can.
> > | >
> > | > local average time I think you mean by this ?
> > | I meant nothing other than:
> > | E = mc^2
> > | or
> > | http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif
> >
> > Retreating into your spiders web I see (:-)
> A fitting analogy for lines of Coulomb lines of force. :o)
> >
> > |
> > | Ya think they are wrong?
> >
> > When I find my 0.5" socket and get the head of this thing and find out
> > if it needs a rebore I will then cast an opinion to the wind (:-).
> Hmm.... I see.
> http://www.turfmachinery.com.au/images/QC.Motor%20Hand%20Mow.jpg
>
> >
> > |
> > http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/BigPictures/Noether_Emmy_3.jpeg
> > |
> > | GAWD! Talk about stopping clocks? :-)
> >
> > Daisy pushing ?
> >
> > |
> > | >
> > | > | Neither knows if a car improves it elapsed
> > | > | time by getting lighter or exerting more force because F = ma.
> > | > | Both can detect an improvement.
> > | > |
> > | > | IOW... a rail passenger three galaxies away will note a
> > correlation
> > | > | between the fuel used and the official's watch unless lightning
> > | > | strikes them simultaneously. :o)
> > | > |
> > | > | Sue...
> > | >
> > | > I think you must be refering to local fuel used and local
> > official's
> > | > watch and are making no comitment that they will be the same (for
> > the
> > | > same senerio) three galaxies away, perhaps at different gravity if
> > | > compared. ?
> > | Forget the galaxies. I should not have mulitplied by one.
> > |
> > | I meant nothing other than:
> > | E = mc^2
> > | or
> > | http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif
> > |
> > | Sue...
> >
> > (E = a condition of time\space) = (m = a condition of time\space) * (c
> > = a number) * (c = a number)
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Has opera got a build in speeling checker ? my economy bb isp dont have
> > a news server so I'm having to use free servers or google.
>
> It has an icon that says "spell check" under it, but eye have
> neever tryed it. Aye hope ewe Kant tell.
>
> Sue...
>
> >

I wonder what it will hide under "show quoted text"

> > | > | >
> > | > | > Pig zoro (:-)
> > | > |
> > |

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