Re: force
- From: "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 8 Nov 2005 21:02:43 -0800
significant zero wrote:
> This is google under opera no spelling checker on this machine yet.
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> Sue... wrote:
> > significant zero wrote:
> > > "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > | significant zero wrote:
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> > > | > | significant zero wrote:
> > > | > | > "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > | > | > | significant zero wrote:
> > > | > | > | > "Sue..." <suzysewnshow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > | > | > | > snip|
> > > | > | >
> > > | > | > snip
> > > | > snip
> > > | > | > Nice one but it it suggests that charges and cultures are made
> > > of
> > > | > | > something other than space
> > > | > |
> > > | > | I certainly hope they are different.
> > > | >
> > > | > Different yes but of the same basic substance ? time/space ?
> > > |
> > > | I expect a house to be built of bricks, and bricks of sand.
> > > | I wouldn't expect a house to be built of miniature houses.
> > > | Why do you expect matter to be built of matter?
> > >
> > > That is not what I was saying I was saying that matter was an aspect of
> > > time/space i.e compressed time space that exists within less compressed
> > > time
> > > space.
> >
> > You are substituting the word space for ether.
>
> That the opinion of a dentist (:-)
>
> >
> > Yes... I am being picky.
> > We can define H W D to be all on the same axis
> > compute its volume but it will represent no space.
>
> Volume is not applicable to single axis time or space, distance is the
> normal result.
Oh? 1/r^2 describes a volume.
>
> >
> > If there were a place where unlike charges did not
> > exist or did not attract... we could still compute its
> > volume.
>
> Only if had at least 3 axis.
Give it as many as you like.
A vacuum pump moves charges, not dimensions.
>
>
> > It would be space... but nothing like the one
> > that we live in.
>
> If charges did not exist or function then time and space may not exist
> or function,
We don't have to have a charge pair in a space to compute
the force between a pair, if introduced into the space.
>
>
> >
> > Our ability to imagine or measure volumes has no
> > relation to phenomena that might occur in the volume.
>
> Are you shure of that ?
Yes. A witch measures a volume in spherical or rectangular
co-ordinates and compute a different result but chant and
incantations produce the same result. :o)
>
> >
> > >
> > > |
> > > | Calling the absence of matter by the mathematical term
> > > | 'space' doesn't resolve the issue. Call it taffy, or ether or
> > > | fairy dust... but don't delude yourself into believing that
> > > | application of an abstract name, space, banishes the force
> > > | we can easily measure between charges.
> > >
> > > The force between charges could be the state that existes in the less
> > > compressed time\space between states of compressed time\space. ?
> >
> > Pair annhilation would certainly seem suggest the state of
> > *ether* changes. Our measure of time and distance is in
> > no way altered in the volume. (Coulomb gauge)
> > http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034
> > We have seen serial photos to prove it.
> >
> > >
> > > |
> > > | >
> > > | > snip
> > > | > |
> > > | > | > Would it perhaps be more accurate (given no real knowledge)
> > > | > | > to say that space is
> > > | > | > differences in existence with the same statement being true for
> > > | > matter
> > > | > | > and its effects. ?
> > > | > |
> > > | > | Not till ya show us a charge-pair conjured from light.
> > > | > | I know there have been some recent attempts but I
> > > | > | don't have the URL handy.
> > > | >
> > > | > You seem to be saying that you think charges, light and space are
> > > | > fundementaly intrinsicaly different and not just the product of a
> > > | > different
> > > | > assembly line using the same basic material (time/space) ?
> > > |
> > > | time and space are between the pages of mathematical textbooks.
> > > |
> > > | Energy, mass and displacement are the things we can measure.
> > >
> > > By measuring their time/space in relation to other time/space.?
> > Ugggh!
> > Einstein tried that. Are you suggesting that ships might better
> > navigate by Coriolis curves rather than lat and lon?
>
> The practical may subvert accuracy.
>
> >
> > Would a CS based on the Coriolis effect better explain the effect?
>
> It may do.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > |
> > > | >
> > > | > |
> > > | > | >
> > > | > | > | Time is an abstraction that relates such anhilation to
> > > | > | > | space.
> > > | > | >
> > > | > | > An abstraction of space ?
> > > | > |
> > > | > | Space doesn't need further abstraction other than x,y,z.
> > > | >
> > > | > Why not ? perhaps a significant aspect of space is its time aspect
> > > |
> > > | Perhaps Amy Noether preferred energy. She looks rather
> > > | big boned and muscular, so argue at your own risk. :o)
> > >
> > > Can be a very convincing argument if you are alive. (:-)
> > > Energy could be perhaps be defined as the condition that exists between
> > > states of time\space.
> > If you name is Leibnitz you can probably come up with a few
> > more variations than just that. :-)
> > http://faraday.physics.utoronto.ca/PVB/Harrison/ConceptOfEnergy/ConceptOfEnergy.html
> >
> >
> > >
> > > |
> > > | >
> > > | > |
> > > | > | Time is an abstraction that expresses the *relationship*
> > > | > | between displacement and mass/energy conservation.
> > > | >
> > > | > So time is an abstraction of space ? and is used to express the
> > > | > relationship between one space and another space ? and the
> > > character of
> > > | > any space ?
> > > |
> > > | Very good! You just wrote a paragraph that can be completely severed
> > > | from the physical world and squashed between the pages of a maths
> > > | book. Now... Can you write the same paragraph using terms
> > > | energy, mass and displacement?
> > >
> > > Tweek my tail and find out (:-)
> > >
> > > |
> > > | >
> > > | > |
> > > | > | >
> > > | > | > |
> > > | > | > | << the energy is conserved if and only if the physical laws
> > > are
> > > | > | > | invariant under time translations (if their form does not
> > > depend
> > > | > on
> > > | > | > | time) >>
> > > | > | > | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem
> > > | > | > |
> > > | > | > | Howzat, Mr. Moustache?
> > > | > | > | Sue...
> > > | > | >
> > > | > | > Balls to stump as they may say in cricket (:})
> > > | > | >
> > > | > | > Do you (or Noether) mean local time or average(cosmic) time in
> > > | > which
> > > | > | > this poorly defined condition (that cannot include time) is
> > > | > connserved
> > > | > |
> > > | > | The time as measured by the drag-strip official's watch or the
> > > | > | fuelers calibrated can.
> > > | >
> > > | > local average time I think you mean by this ?
> > > | I meant nothing other than:
> > > | E = mc^2
> > > | or
> > > | http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif
> > >
> > > Retreating into your spiders web I see (:-)
> > A fitting analogy for lines of Coulomb lines of force. :o)
> > >
> > > |
> > > | Ya think they are wrong?
> > >
> > > When I find my 0.5" socket and get the head of this thing and find out
> > > if it needs a rebore I will then cast an opinion to the wind (:-).
> > Hmm.... I see.
> > http://www.turfmachinery.com.au/images/QC.Motor%20Hand%20Mow.jpg
> >
> > >
> > > |
> > > http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/BigPictures/Noether_Emmy_3.jpeg
> > > |
> > > | GAWD! Talk about stopping clocks? :-)
> > >
> > > Daisy pushing ?
> > >
> > > |
> > > | >
> > > | > | Neither knows if a car improves it elapsed
> > > | > | time by getting lighter or exerting more force because F = ma.
> > > | > | Both can detect an improvement.
> > > | > |
> > > | > | IOW... a rail passenger three galaxies away will note a
> > > correlation
> > > | > | between the fuel used and the official's watch unless lightning
> > > | > | strikes them simultaneously. :o)
> > > | > |
> > > | > | Sue...
> > > | >
> > > | > I think you must be refering to local fuel used and local
> > > official's
> > > | > watch and are making no comitment that they will be the same (for
> > > the
> > > | > same senerio) three galaxies away, perhaps at different gravity if
> > > | > compared. ?
> > > | Forget the galaxies. I should not have mulitplied by one.
> > > |
> > > | I meant nothing other than:
> > > | E = mc^2
> > > | or
> > > | http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif
> > > |
> > > | Sue...
> > >
> > > (E = a condition of time\space) = (m = a condition of time\space) * (c
> > > = a number) * (c = a number)
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Has opera got a build in speeling checker ? my economy bb isp dont have
> > > a news server so I'm having to use free servers or google.
> >
> > It has an icon that says "spell check" under it, but eye have
> > neever tryed it. Aye hope ewe Kant tell.
> >
> > Sue...
> >
> > >
>
> I wonder what it will hide under "show quoted text"
Try it and see. It is only ~ 4MB.
....A much safer activity than your putting Coreolis contorted charts
into the hands of navigators. :o)
Sue...
>
> > > | > | >
> > > | > | > Pig zoro (:-)
> > > | > |
> > > |
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