Re: Eotvos.



Dear em:

"em" <nootlanoo@dodiggerdo> wrote in message
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>>> I agree with you there that it is the tip of the iceberg,
>>> as there is more to gather from this really astounding
>>> fact.
>>
>> ... when/if it is fact.
>
> A lot of effort and energy has been expended to find
> limitations and/or error with GR. To date none has been
> found.
>
> That is good enough for me. I'll I'll put my money on
> WEP EEP and GR and declare them absolute.

That isn't science, and it won't allow advancement of same. But
it is your right.

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>>> I think an expanding Aether would overcome all need
>>> to ascribe a need to suppose there exist other
>>> dimensions.
>
>> It would have to be expanding on very large scales, to
>> avoid detection. And any such expansion would not
>> be a Loretnz aether.
>
> If every Aetheric particle in the universe was
> simultaneously expanding at the same rate, in such
> manner that all rulers and units of measure, even the wave
> length of light would also have to be effected by
> this expansion.

Not really. The Lorentz aether isn't comprised of particles.
And clocks are it's spawn also.

> If the propagation of light was indeed mediated by say
> the propagation of a longitudinal vacuum wave

.... transverse

> then as the particles of Aether increased in size, so too would
> the frequency of any event be
> automatically carried with it.

Frequency variations are taken care of by the clock.

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>>> Wise move and I myself too consider be patient.
>>> So... I just ask without committing. But... I say...
>>> it does seems a little drafty in here. Do you
>>> suppose we are sitting here waiting for a train
>>> that is not coming?
>>
>> Who is waiting? I have things to keep me busy.
>
> I was. I had given him the benefit of the doubt.
> Even though I considered it would not come to
> anything, one has always to remain open here as
> we are dealing with the mysteries of nature,
> physics and at the same time political and institutional
> agendas, anything could happen.
>
>>> Oh... and the other thing... what ever happened to that
>>> GravityB probe?
>>
>> Being analyzed. Looking for a silly whilimeter. Right
>> at the edge of the budget.
>
> Cheques all cleared no doubt. (Sound of crickets in a
> hollow.) I thought the offices were looking a little
> abandoned.
>
> I heard they have been having a spot of software
> problems, system crashes, reboots, etc.

Sounds like Windoze...

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>>> i.e.... like no frame drag or worst still, no
>>> physical space/time curvature to speak of?
>>
>> Already been observed, documented, and
>> published, involving much less money.
>> Relativity and Lorentz aether are two sides
>> of the same coin (a statement I'll no doubt
>> get flack for). They both go down together, so hold on for
>> the results.
>
> Yes, I do not think space actually curves either
> as a gyroscope in orbit will well testify.

No, frame dragging has been detected.

> I am thinking more the geodesic is not caused
> by a physical curvature of space

....spaceTIME

> more so the expansion of space itself and the
> earth racing up to met it.

That fails on so many levels. But to each his own.

David A. Smith


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