Re: Dayton Miller's Data have no Real Signal

On 9 Dec 2005 21:45:15 -0800, demeo@xxxxxxxx wrote:

>Dear Tom Roberts,
>
>If I could summarize again:
>
>1) You analyzed an apparently unpublished set of data from one of
>Miller's tests in Cleveland,

Do you mean all famous experiments were done in
Cleveland and at Mt. Wilson?

Isn't there higher mountains and sites closer to the
equator that might be better?

[snip]

>And all the other validating experiments,
>you simply ignore. Sorry to say, this is simply insufficient.
>Regards,
>James DeMeo

Is Tom Roberts the only physicist who will even listen?

I would like to know just what it is this wonderful ether
is supposed to do, is it just a whim explanation of how light
is propagated, or is it supposed to do everything that GR
does?

When gravity is included in a theory that must exert
forces on material objects to make them appear to change
motion as observed, really big problems arise.

This magical ether would have to be totally and
completely inelastic, which would seem to prohibit or
restrict inertial motion, and would require infinite shear
strength, and have an infinite energy source.

Plus it would probably need a super computer to
determine just how to exert the exact gravitational force
to cause gravitational mass to be identical to inertial mass.

And even though sound is supposed to be carried
by waves in a medium, it really isn't, it is just variations
in the velocities of molecular units. In mathematical
treatment it may be called waves, but it is far from being
a wave in a continuous medium.

If gravity is not supposed to be involved, the very
suggestion that somehow light needs a special carrier
is an affront to every great physicist who lived in the
20th century.

This isn't about Einstein or relativity, it is the life
work of hundreds of thousands of physicists that is being
demeaned or dismissed.

I think it is good to have a many sided discussion
here, but it seems like the ethernuts are just coming out
of the woodwork, and it must be the ravings by the few
certifiable kooks that is instilling bravery.

I haven't seen a single post that proffers any
attribbutes that this wonderful ether is supposed to
have. And the reason is, there can't be any attributes
that enable long range gravity.

If the MM and Miller experiments did not expect
to find any relationship to any aspect of gravity, then
they were in vain, because General Relativity has
obviously eclipsed them.

Even if gravity is not a "field", which it really
can't possibly be, then a totally different type of
model is needed, mediums will not be able to
enable gravity.

Several people have tried to pass off studies
of the MM and M experimenrs as advanced physics,
but there is just nothing there. In fact the very
reason to do the experiments was to see if there
was anything there to study, and apparerently all
the data in the world is not going to change the
opinion of people who simply don't need ether.

The aether is from the Earth, Fire, Water, and
Aether days, and at that time the Earth was considered
to be fixed in space and completely Euclidean.

Face it, things have changed, the electromagnetic
spectrum is probably the best studied branch of physics,
and the most complete and accurate.

I really believe that before any time is wasted looking
at data, a new specification of just what this ether is
supposed to be and just what it is supposed to do.

Without that, it is just all politics and opinion.

Joe Fischer

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