Re: Dayton Miller's Data have no Real Signal

On 15 Dec "David Thomson" <google@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Joe Fischer wrote:
>> The strong force is not even inter-molecular, as far as I know.
>
>The strong force is intermolecular, but it is called the Van der Waals
>force at that level of existence. Certainly, you didn't think the Van
>der Waals force was an extra force beyond the elementary forces?

It is a vey complicated thing, it seems to be involved
in controlling how much a gas compresses under certain
pressures.
I had never seen it discussed before, but found some
information about a gas compression not being strictly a
STP process.

>See, you are clearly wrong. The laws of physics were working long
>before humans discovered them and explained them with language.

I thought Newton wrote them.

>[snip]
>> >This theory is based upon empirical data. How can you say it does not
>> >apply to physical objects that can be observed and measured?
>>
>> On the jpg of a flourescent tube and two ball bearings?
>>
>> Was there a ballast, transformer or ignition coil
>> connected to the other end of the coil?
>
>Is your knowledge of Tesla coil operation as extensive as your math
>background?

About the same, but it does require a high frequency
and high voltage (low amp) source doesn't it?

>> Note that a flourescent tube will light with a high
>> voltage coil secondary wound around it, even if it won't
>> light in a fixture.
>> The gas is conductive or inductive or something.
>
>Interesting. I wondered why the tube was lighting up in my hand.

You must have a lot of electricity.

>> I have lots of batteries. I don't like capacitors though,
>> they bite. And I never connect too many batteries in
>> series.
>
>Batteries contain electrons and protons, not energy. The movement of
>the electrons can do work, but the work is not stored in the battery,
>it is a function of the velocity of the electron, which moves due to
>force when the obstacles to movement are removed.

Mine have watt hours, isn't energy?

>> >> gravity and inertia are essentially two aspects of the
>> >> same attribute of matter,
>> >
>> >Attributes of matter include length, frequency, mass, charge, and
>> >curvature. Not among the attributes of matter are gravity.
>>
>> Maybe that is what I want to do, assign an attribute
>> of matter that causes the effects called gravity.
>
>Nature is what nature is. No amount of wishing can change it.

But matter can have an attribute that is hidden.

>> Not the attribute I have in mind, but that is why
>> some talented people think I have insane ideas. :-)
>
>Just admit it, you are a crackpot like the rest of us. ;-)

No, I am as serious as anybody, and have no desire
to overturn physics. I find discussing gravity, even with
someone that knows very little about it, a good source of
ideas and interesting aspects.

>> >> without external forces or
>> >> fields, why would a medium be needed,
>> >
>> >The medium is where the force originates.
>>
>> In your mind, you have repeatedly stated.
>
>...and I have quantified it in my paper and in my book.

Pick out one thing it can do or predict, and be able
to demonstrate that.
Putting it on paper is the first step, doing that should
allow you to judge if you want to scrap the idea after some
time away from it and find it wasn't as great as it first seemed.

>> >> there are no forces without contact, that is mechanics
>> >
>> >Then how do you explain objects that fall from the sky before they
>> >contact the Earth?
>>
>> I thought i stated that, the surface of Earh expands
>> outward with a velocity near escape velocity, plus a small
>> acceleration. Freefalling objects are in inertial motion.
>
>Wow! Forgive me for doubting you. Maybe insane was the right word
>after all.

But I have proof, I have quantized it in my paper.

The Air Force colonel that jumped out of a balloon
at 103,000 feet exclaimed "the balloon accelerated up
away from me as I felt nothing".
There wasn't much air friction and he probably
was supersonic for a few seconds.

>> >How do you explain magnets that pull toward each
>> >other before they contact?
>>
>> Much different than I explain gravity, and totally
>> unrelated.
>
>So the prospect of a unified force theory is very bleak with your
>concept of gravity?

Unified what with what?

I do think one of the close range forces is less than
measured and that allows matter to expand.
Would that qualify as a unified force theory?

It is capable of producing at least most of the
effects gravity is observed to produce.

>> >How do you explain magnets that repel each
>> >other and never contact?
>>
>> The same as magetic attraction, only reversed.
>
>Interesting.

But I have never seen any.

>> >If you divide velocity by
>> >length you get frequency and nothing else.
>>
>> I am six feet long, and laying in bed, does that
>> mean my frequency is zero?
>
>Yes. If you are not moving, the length is not being repeated. There
>is no velocity.

Well, what is frequency, how often I go?

>> >That is why I only use
>> >dimensional math in my work. Like you, I don't accept anything that
>> >cannot be derived from physical measurements.
>>
>> How long is the aether?
>
>A quantum Aether unit has a distance between unbound Aether units of
>one Compton wavelength. The Aether unit itself is a curved surface and
>its area is always equal to one Compton wavelength squared.

I have no hope of understanding that, sorry.

>> I have a cell phone base station, chances are
>> nobody here even knows what that means.
>
>I used to sell these on eBay when I was in the military surplus
>business.

Cell phone or radio?

>> I use an LCD monitor, a 24 inch plotter/cutter,
>> a 24 inch printer, and multiple external Firewire enclosures,
>> can your technology produce anything I might want?
>
>I don't make technology. I am a theorist and experimenter. Technology
>is a whole different field. Did you make the technology you use, or
>did you buy it off the shelf like the rest of us?

Some of each.

>> >You asked me to produce the PDF file in a format you can
>> >read, and then when I present the DOC format, you arrogantly said you
>> >weren't going to try to read it.
>>
>> Right, not if I have to run MS Word.
>
>You bought all that fancy technology and it didn't come bundled with MS
>Office?

No, I don't buy computers, I build them.

But I bought MS word or office separate, but had
to remove it to preserve my wordpad icons.

>> >I have a beautiful organic garden.
>>
>> How do you control the bugs? I have grown
>> to hate bugs, the Box Elder and Lady bugs have turned
>> me against them, not to mention the crickets, grasshoppers
>> and misquitos that get in the house too.
>
>The lady bugs eat the aphids and don't hurt anything. Crickets and
>mosquitos don't harm the garden, either. Mosquitos can only breed
>where there is standing water. Make sure you don't have any old tires
>or other things that collect rain water lying around. If you do, empty
>them after each rain. The grasshoppers generally come late in the
>season. Most of my food is harvested by then. But I keep horseradish
>in a tub in the herb garden to attract the grasshoppers. If they eat
>the horseradish greens it is no loss. I pick them off when I have the
>time. Last year the Japanese beetles were the big problem. This year
>I'll buy the Walmart beetle traps and set them around the yard.

No, I was talking about in the house, the ladybugs left
after the Box Elder bugs took over the attic as they multiple
about 3000 to 1 in a few months.
But at least the box elder bugs do not stink as bad
as lady bugs when I squash them. They really seem harmless,
they don't get on food or anything, but I can't stand more than
a few in the kitchen. They just want to get inside for the
winter and get out in the spring, but I am trying to convince
them thay should visit somebody else.
And like many bugs, soapy water kills them faster than
poison, so I use lots of dish detergent, even though I don't
use dishes, I use paper plates.

>> >You have to follow the data and equations and accept the
>> >simplest explanation of what is revealed.
>>
>> I will, but I may interpret it differently than others.
>
>Living in a free society is what makes science so exciting. Have at
>it.
>
>> I may have to print out the pdf to study it properly,
>> is that ok?
>
>Absolutely it is okay.
>Dave

Ok, thanks. Sorry for joking, but I really do not
understand anything about how a medium can do anything
and not have anything affect it.
Like a boat in water produces a wake, just waving
my hand moves air, there are sonic booms, eddy currents,
convection motion, and all sorts of reactions in mediums.

I am very realistic about what the Divergent Matter
model, but even if it has no validity at all, it still is interesting
because it does not require particles or mediums and does not
require forces acting at a distance.
It would produce surface gravity, inertial motion freefall
would be the same as inertial motion in the absence of gravity.
It would make it impossible for anything to travel at
the speed of light, which doesn't mean much though until
some magical propulsion system is available.

And it possibly would remove gravity from the list
of four forces, and maybe even remove one of the other
three forces, and if the one removed were the strong force,
then there would only be one left, if it is the electro-weak.
Would that then be a unfied force theory?

Joe Fischer

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