Re: Dayton Miller's Data have no Real Signal

Joe Fischer wrote:
> >See, you are clearly wrong. The laws of physics were working long
> >before humans discovered them and explained them with language.
>
> I thought Newton wrote them.

Newton wrote them down on paper, he did not invent the laws of physics.
Had Newton invented the laws of physics, there would not have been any
gravity in the 15 billion years prior to his birth.

> >Is your knowledge of Tesla coil operation as extensive as your math
> >background?
>
> About the same, but it does require a high frequency
> and high voltage (low amp) source doesn't it?

:-) Yes, it does.

> >Batteries contain electrons and protons, not energy. The movement of
> >the electrons can do work, but the work is not stored in the battery,
> >it is a function of the velocity of the electron, which moves due to
> >force when the obstacles to movement are removed.
>
> Mine have watt hours, isn't energy?

Your batteries run off of electrons motivated by chemical processes,
not energy. And yes, watt hours are a measure of electrical work.

> But matter can have an attribute that is hidden.

If matter has an attribute that is hidden, then how would we know about
it? You were telling us before that you only believe in physical
objects that can be measured. How would you measure a hidden
attribute?

> No, I am as serious as anybody, and have no desire
> to overturn physics. I find discussing gravity, even with
> someone that knows very little about it, a good source of
> ideas and interesting aspects.

There is nothing wrong with a good discussion, even if it is just
musing about the possibilities and impossibilities of existence. Some
folks on these newsgroups take the discussions here far too seriously.

> Pick out one thing it can do or predict, and be able
> to demonstrate that.

It predicts there are two distinct manifestations of charges. I have
demonstrated that.

> Putting it on paper is the first step,
http://www.16pi2.com/files/NewFoundationPhysics.pdf

> doing that should
> allow you to judge if you want to scrap the idea after some
> time away from it and find it wasn't as great as it first seemed.

It turns out that after it was put on paper it became even more lucid
and more useful as a model of quantum structure.

> >> I thought i stated that, the surface of Earh expands
> >> outward with a velocity near escape velocity, plus a small
> >> acceleration. Freefalling objects are in inertial motion.
> >
> >Wow! Forgive me for doubting you. Maybe insane was the right word
> >after all.
>
> But I have proof, I have quantized it in my paper.
>
> The Air Force colonel that jumped out of a balloon
> at 103,000 feet exclaimed "the balloon accelerated up
> away from me as I felt nothing".
> There wasn't much air friction and he probably
> was supersonic for a few seconds.

LOL. Joe, as soon as the AF colonel jumped up out of the basket, the
basket became lighter and was able to rise higher and scoop him up
again. That is why you don't jump out of a balloon, but simply roll
over the side. The same thing goes for jumping out of a small boat.
You can't jump out of a small boat.

> I do think one of the close range forces is less than
> measured and that allows matter to expand.
> Would that qualify as a unified force theory?

A Unified Force Theory has force laws whereby a scientist can actually
calculate a force before measuring it, knowing the parameters of the
experiment. If you can't quantify it, you have a hypothesis, or simply
an idea.

> >> >How do you explain magnets that repel each
> >> >other and never contact?
> >>
> >> The same as magetic attraction, only reversed.
> >
> >Interesting.
>
> But I have never seen any.

Put two 1" disc magnets in a clear tube with slightly greater than 1"
inside diameter. Make sure the like poles are opposing each other. It
is very easy to do.

> >Yes. If you are not moving, the length is not being repeated. There
> >is no velocity.
>
> Well, what is frequency, how often I go?

Frequency is the cycle of length repetition. If you repeat a length of
six feet at the rate of 5 cycles per minute, then you will go 30 feet
in one minute. This makes more sense than it might first appear. The
circumference of a tire has a length. That length repetitiously
contacts the ground at a frequency determined by the velocity of the
wheel.

> >A quantum Aether unit has a distance between unbound Aether units of
> >one Compton wavelength. The Aether unit itself is a curved surface and
> >its area is always equal to one Compton wavelength squared.
>
> I have no hope of understanding that, sorry.

That is too bad. It is an extremely simple concept. I'm sure that if
we were in the same room and I could have physical objects to
demonstrate with, you would understand it quite easily.

> >I used to sell these on eBay when I was in the military surplus
> >business.
>
> Cell phone or radio?

Both. I've bought repeater networks, signal processing equipment
(still have some), telephone switching units, and many other devices.
On a single purchase I would have to fill to the roof three 24 foot
moving vans.

> But I bought MS word or office separate, but had
> to remove it to preserve my wordpad icons.

LOL I'm enjoying this conversation immensely. You are really a gentle
person, I can tell. I have many elderly friends here in town who give
me a similar conversation.

> No, I was talking about in the house, the ladybugs left
> after the Box Elder bugs took over the attic as they multiple
> about 3000 to 1 in a few months.

The ladybugs in the house are easy to trap. Take a box the size of a
shoe box and line it with foil. Safely install a lightbulb socket and
bulb in the box. Place the box near the ceiling where the ladybugs are
the most problem and leave the light on day and night. The ladybugs
will be attracted to the light and remain there until they die. You
will need to empty the box regularly in order to keep the ladybugs from
accumulating and touching the light bulb.

> Ok, thanks. Sorry for joking, but I really do not
> understand anything about how a medium can do anything
> and not have anything affect it.

Like anything, it requires a certain amount of study to understand the
Aether. The Aether is non-physical reality that gives existence to
physical reality. You can't explain how your mind interfaces with the
matter of your body, either, but you know it works. This mind/body
interface is not far off from understanding how the non-physical Aether
interacts with matter, except that the Aether is quantifiable.

> Like a boat in water produces a wake, just waving
> my hand moves air, there are sonic booms, eddy currents,
> convection motion, and all sorts of reactions in mediums.

The fact that your hand moves at all, whether air is present or not,
demonstrates that the Aether is a fluid medium. The space-time
associated with your hand is moving through the space-time of the
Aether around you. In fact, the theory shows that all matter is
encapsulated by Aether at the quantum level. Thus matter never really
moves at all relative to the space-time it inhabits. It is the
space-time itself that does the moving.

This is not a difficult concept to understand as it happens all the
time in our macro world. A leave floats down a gentle stream, even
without a wind. This is because the matter of the leaf is floating in
the fluid of the water, and the water is itself moving. Within the
Gulf Stream in the Atlantic small particles of plants and animals
remain suspended in the water, not doing anything, and yet they are
moving up the Atlantic coast.

The matter of our body is similarly floating within the Aether. Due to
binding forces, certain clumps of matter remain fairly constant and the
whole group moves as one. This too, is reflected in nature as we
experience it.

The Aether waves are several orders of magnitude less substantial than
water waves, but they are there nonetheless.

> I am very realistic about what the Divergent Matter
> model, but even if it has no validity at all, it still is interesting
> because it does not require particles or mediums and does not
> require forces acting at a distance.

There is nothing wrong with forces acting at a distance, if that is
what they do. The only reason we would think it wrong is if we simply
didn't like the idea. But what does human opinion have to do about the
laws of nature? The world is what it is. We must learn to see it as
it is and remove our own prejudices from the process of observing, as
much as possible.

> It would produce surface gravity, inertial motion freefall
> would be the same as inertial motion in the absence of gravity.
> It would make it impossible for anything to travel at
> the speed of light, which doesn't mean much though until
> some magical propulsion system is available.
>
> And it possibly would remove gravity from the list
> of four forces, and maybe even remove one of the other
> three forces, and if the one removed were the strong force,
> then there would only be one left, if it is the electro-weak.
> Would that then be a unfied force theory?

The so-called fourth force (weak interaction) is not a force at all.
It is merely the balance between the electrostatic force and the strong
force. When the balance is tipped, then a decay process can occur.
But the decay process is still entirely dependent upon the
electrostatic and strong force. There is no other force present. My
theory quantifies this so-called fourth force, too.

Dave

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