Re: 'gravitons'


Tom Roberts wrote:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
> > But its possible to think about gravitons as a quantum object as photons are
> > quantum objects ?
>
> They are similar but different.

this is a revolutionary statement

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>
> > p= m* v
>
> The momentum of a quantum object is not well defined. But it's really
> the momentum transfer that is of interest; quantum objects can transfer
> momentum in any direction, depending on the phase of the interaction
> (and ther things, like spin states)....

wrong, it seams that photons can be directed in any direction of choice

"gravitons" dont have this choice, they cant change direction

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>
> > gravitation seems to carry no stream of energy away from an isolated body.
>
> Yes, as long as no other object interacts with the gravitational field
> of the object in question. Just like an electric field does not "carry a
> stream of energy" away from an isolated charged particle.

!?

yes it does, look at the magnets on your frige

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>
> > Photons 'get lost' when
> > radiated away,

no, it needs a receiver in order to be radiated, no receiver no
radiation,

otherwise radiate where?

>
> Yes. These are on mass shell, and are only emitted when a charged
> particle is accelerated.

actually decelerated by other mass particles

no other mass particle deceleration, no photon released

> Similarly, on mass shell gravitons are
> presumably only emitted with a mass is accelerated. (This is
> oversimplified.)

and wrong

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>
> > but to discribe gravitation by a quantum object, you should
> > explain, why gravitons travel thru hole galaxies, carry energy and don't
> > cool down the sender.

there are no such animals you are calling "gravitons"

>
> There is a _direct_ analogy with photons. Photons that are emitted on
> mass shell, or that interact with other objects, can indeed transfer
> momentum and energy to/from their "source". Ditto for gravitons.

now you contradict what you just said above

>
>
> Tom Roberts tjroberts@xxxxxxxxxx

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