Re: Nikola Tesla about Relativity


"Bilge" <dubious@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >In 1914, Einstein and Grossmann published the "Entwurf" theory of gravity
> >where the field equations were very close to the modern day form. It is
> >more like Grossmann did all the work while Eintein did all the PR stuff.
> >Hilbert being corresponding with Einstein must have known about
> >"Entwurf".
> >He also knew the field equations must encompass the Poisson equation.
> >Therefore, he must have tried all sorts of Lagrangian until one fits his
> >liking. He came up with the Lagrangian by "fudging" and not by the old
> >fashion way that is to derive it from something already well established.
>
> You are a complete idiot.

So, any attempt trying to redirect my reply to other newsgroup failed, you
resort to calling me names. Tell you what. Calling me all sorts of name
still would not deter me from posting over here. So, here we go.

> (1) There is no doubt that the physics
> was due to einstein. What einstein lacked was the mathematical
> knowledge to fully develp the physical concepts. Grossman was a
> mathematician and provided the mathematical knowledge. That is
> hardly unusual. Scientists collaborate because their combined
> knowledge is broader than the knowledge of each individual. Given
> that einstein made original and very important contributions in
> every branch of physics, including major contributions to quantum
> mechanics, which he did not think was correct, his abilities as
> a physicist are beyond dispute for anyone who can reason above the
> level of a cro-magnon.

There is no doubt that Einstein is a plagirist. Hilbert's Lagrangian was
Hilbert's last desperate attempt to arrive at the field equations before
Einstein did. Given two persons without sharing their works, the odds for
both to come up with a BS Lagrangian is infinitely small.
Grossmann/Einstein's works did not involve the Principle of Least Action.
Despite Hilbert's BS nature, I have to give him credit for applyting the
Principle of Least Action to the problem. The correspondence between
Einstein and Hilbert were Hilbert's suggestions to use the Principle of
Least Action to derive the field equations and Einsetin's bragging about his
complete plagiarism of Gerber's derivation on Mercury's orbital anomaly.
Hearing Einstein's bragging, he then tried several Lagrangians until he
found one that result in field equations that encompasse the Poison
equations. At this stage, Hilbert was done. Finaly, Einstein understood
what Hilbert was doing and fudged a wrong set of field equations in his late
1915 lecture at the Prussian Academy a week after Hilbert's more original BS
at Goettingen.

Given Einstein being at the right places at several right times, he
plagiarized from all that came in contact with him. Gravity caused by
curvature of space was Riemann's original idea; gravity caused by curvature
in spacetime was Grossmann's original idea; applying the Principle of Least
Action to gravity was Hilbert's original idea. The list just goes on. I
don't see any original thoughts from Eisntein.

> (2) Hilbert's success in arriving at the field equations via the
> lagrangian was due, in no small part, to the work of one of his
> assistants, emmy noether. Perhaps you've heard of her. She was hired
> by hilbert precisely because of her work in classical invariant theory.
> There ws no need for hilbert to ``fudge'' anything. However, you seem to
> lack any understanding of lagrangian formalism beyond pop-physics
> cliches and lack sufficient interest in going beyond that. Apparently,
> you find it easier to make it up as you go and create a vast web
> of conspiracies in which scientists carry out cloak and dagger
> operations for power, fame and wealth, than to merely accept the
> fact that there were people smart enough to develop these these
> theories without your help.

Get your fact straight. Neother came to Goettingen only after GR was
finally theorized by Hilbert and plagiarized by Einstein. Despite a genius
Hilbert was, he failed to see another Lagangian that can be applied to
determine the geodesics. Noether's work was nothing new. In fact, you
really don't need her work to complete the understanding of GR. Her
conservation law was a joke trying to hide the silliness in GR. Her
conservation law was already derived by Euler and Lagrange many centuries
ago. Nobody took them seriously until GR. Anyway, up until a few weeks ago
before I posted the Lagrangian that results in the geodesic equations in
general, the geodesic equations were derived through Riemman/Christoffel's
careful geometric interpretations of curved space where they had to
characterize tangent vectors, parallel transports, etc. Given the right
Lagrangian, the geodesics become exceedingly simple. On top of that, you
also get a fundamental principle of them all. That is the conservation of
energy.

> (3) If what you had to say had any scientific merit, you would not
> need to appeal to the soap opera scenario you've created to try and
> gain recognition.

I have not appealed to the soap opera scenario, have you? You cannot be
serious that anyone can get any recognition from posting in this newsgroup.

> (4) Get used to the idea that there are people in world the world
> who are smarter than you are. I realize that it's hard to come to
> grips with that idea, but even if you were the smartest person posting
> to this newsgroup (which you aren't, by any stretch of the imagination),
> there are lots of smart people who don't post to usenet. If you can't
> impress anyone on this newsgroup, you're only kidding yourself if you
> think it's because you know so much more that no one is capable of
> recognizing your genius.

I don't really care about what other people think of me including you. From
your remarks, it sounds like you feel your intellect, or lack of it,is
grossly threatened. That is your problem only. You need to solve that
yourself. I cannot help you on that.

> >>> ** Space should not have any properties.
> >>> ** Space thus should not even be curved.
> >>
> >> Therefore, N/A.
> >
> >It sounds like you are an Aetherist by heart but tries very hard to deny
> >it.
> >That is OK. Didn't Peter not recognize Christ three times?
>
> Unless you are advocating hammond's religious views, why is that
> relevant? Your comment above just proves your naivete.

I don't know anything about Hammond's religion. I will leave it up to you
to enjoy his religion. Let me know when you become a follower. Or are you
already a follower?

> Space and
> time have a precise mathematical description. The description
> differs from euclid's description of spatial geometry, but there
> is and never was any reason to accept euclid's description as
> divine other than naivete.

The same logic also goes for the curvature of space and/or spacetime. There
is no reason to accept Riemann's curvature in space nor Grossmann's
curvature in spacetime as divine.


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