Re: temperature of an atom


hurricane corina wrote:
> Randy Poe wrote:
> > hurricane corina wrote:
> > > PD wrote:
> > > > Temperature is a property of a *collection* of particles, not a single
> > > > particle alone.
> > >
> > > everybody knows that
> >
> > Then why did you ask about the temperature of a single particle
> > if "everybody knows" there's no such thing as the temperature
> > of a single particle?
>
> becus there is an apparent incosistency, are you blind to see it?

Yes. Why don't you explain this inconsistency, since it is "apparent"
only to you?

> > > how can tyou say that the temperature doesnt have influence over atoms
> >
> > Nobody said that. You asked if temperature change causes
> > a change in electron spin. The answer to that question
> > is "no".
>
> so where is the change stored in a particular atom, in the group of
> atoms !?

In the average kinetic energy. Some will have more than before,
some less, but on the average there will be more.

> are the atoms in group intelligents !?

No.

> > Nobody said that. You asked about the temperature of a
> > single atom. There's no such thing as the temperature of a
> > single atom. If you raise the temperature of an object,
> > on average the atoms will have more kinetic energy.
>
> why should they have more kinetics !?

Um, because that's what "higher temperature" means. It means
"more kinetic energy".

If you put energy into a system of molecules, that energy has
to go somewhere. It goes into speeding up the molecules.
On average. But not every single molecule is faster.

> are you kidding me?
>
> you just said that each individual is unafected by temperature

No, I didn't. If the average goes up, that means some
individuals have to go up as well.

Suppose I take 20 people and their average income is
higher this year than last year. Does that mean
- every single person got a raise?
- if not, then am I saying nobody got a raise?

Neither of those is true.

Frankly I think you're trolling. This voice seems a lot like
a number of similar messages in at least five different
names over the last couple of weeks.

But I'll keep playing. Awhile anyway.

> > In the AVERAGE kinetic energy of the atoms and, to some extent, in
> > the potential energy of the electrons.
>
> potential energy meaning that the electron are doing somthin faster,
> right?

No, meaning that the electrons are in higher energy shells. There's
no particular speed associated with an energy shell.

> so there are changes in the atoms regarding the temperature
>
> are you contradicting yourself?

No.

> > > why the atoms are vibrating or coliding?
> >
> > Because that's what atoms do.
>
> only when changings in atoms propeperties occures, in ouer case
> the temperature

No, that's what atoms do all the time, even when temperature is
not changing.

- Randy

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