Re: A Forgotten Prediction of Einstein


Russell wrote:
> Sue... wrote:
> > Russell wrote:
> > > Sue... wrote:
> > > > Spaceman wrote:
> > > > > "Russell" <russell@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1138146027.975514.86880@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > <snipped>
> > > > > | between them in that frame. Now, are you asserting that
> > > > > | in Annie's frame the shots are simultaneous? That is
> > > > > | false, according to SR.
> > > > >
> > > > > Annies FoR is irrelevant to the reality simply because she is
> > > > > not where the now occured and had to wait for light to tel her
> > > > > about the 'now'.
> > > > > But that is just a lightspeed problem, not a simultaneous-ness prob at all.
> > > >
> > > > The collision is very real evidenced by lead debris on the ground.
> > > > Annie's IFB has the same length cable as Bill's so they only
> > > > wait for the ringmaster to say 'fire'
> > >
> > > Right, Bill and Annie do agree (along with everybody else) that
> > > the shots occurred simultaneously in the ringmaster's frame.
> > > Didn't you understand me to say that? Well, I *did*, but maybe
> > > not clearly enough. I hope that that little misunderstanding is
> > > cleared up, now.
> > >
> > > Now, we can get down to the question of what Annie and Bill
> > > say wrt their *own* respective frames. That is, if you aren't
> > > too scared of being shown up as a fool again.
> > >
> > > > The lighting crew doesn't even have to show up for work
> > > > except that the audience might riot if the performance is
> > > > in the dark. :o)
> > > >
> > > > Sue...
> >
> > The debris is real as seen in all FoR.
>
> Yes, of course.
>
> But the important (and to some, controversial) question is the
> timing of the *shots*. Not the obvious fact that there was a
> single impact -- on that, everyone agrees. Sorry if you were
> unclear on this up to now but hopefully we are on the same
> page now.

Restating:

<<If Annie Oakly and Buffalo Bill are moving relatively on
equal horses and firing equal arms, a mid-point collision
of the bullets is proof they both know what "now' is. >>

Sue...


>
> (Granted, Androcles is trying to say that everyone *doesn't*
> agree, but he is just a drunk shouting from the sidelines and
> his mistakes are obvious. If you'd like to talk about his mistakes,
> that would be fine, but my preference would be to start fresh to
> avoid getting bogged down in somebody else's misunderstandings.)

.

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