Re: Error in Weisstein's redshift


John C. Polasek wrote:
> On 28 Jan 2006 22:47:51 -0800, xxein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> >
> >John C. Polasek wrote:
> >> On 28 Jan 2006 18:39:20 -0800, xxein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >John C. Polasek wrote:
> >> >> On 28 Jan 2006 16:44:42 -0800, xxein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >John C. Polasek wrote:
> >> >> >> Take a look at this site:
> >> >> >> http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/GravitationalRedshift.html
> >> >> >> I believe they have the wrong formula for change in L (lambda) vs
> >> >> >> gravity. They show
> >> >> >> L/L0 = sqrt(1 - 2MG/r^2c),
> >> >> >> where L0 is the "rest" WL and L is the "shifted" WL. It shows the WL
> >> >> >> would be shifted lower, a blue shift, when gravity makes red shift.
> >> >> >> It would be OK with f/f0, but they derived it using Newton, at which
> >> >> >> point they got it upside down, or so it seems to me.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> John Polasek
> >> >> >> http://www.dualspace.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> >xxein: L/L0 = sqrt(1 - 2MG/r^2c) is not the same as sqrt(1 -
> >> >> >2MG/rc^2).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It should not seem upside down with this correction to your copy.
> >> > > I mis-typed and should have put rc^2. But it still looks wrong. The
> >> >> "shifted" WL L can't be lower than the "rest" L.
> >> >> John Polasek
> >> >
> >> >xxein: Why would you expect L0 to be greater than L?
> >> >
> >> >What is your primary logic here?
> >> The frequency of an oscillator is reduced by gravity. Then its WL in
> >> gravity should be greater; we are talking about the "shifted" L clock.
> >>
> >> The clock removed from gravity will run faster; its WL is shorter;
> >> that's the L0 customer with the short WL.
> >>
> >> Their equation says L = L0*(1-eps), making L lower, but it should be
> >> higher.
> >> John Polasek
> >
> >xxein: I knew you couldn't be that dumb. It was my mistake in reading
> >what L and L0 was representing. I was thinking 'frequency' recieved.
> >My sincere apologies.
> >
> >Yes. It would appear that the originator of the text was either
> >confused or lacking logical threads of physics. Wasn't there an editor
> >or proofreader? I've always known that I needed one (or more).
> >
> >Even though you pointed out f/f0, I missed it.
> Not only that, they have no business telling about lambda in a gravity
> well. It's frequency and energy of the oscillator in the well, that
> are depressed there. The idea that lambda is increased there depends
> on c being constant.
>
> But c isn't constant. It is similarly depressed (in my theory), so
> lambda = c/f is unchanged down there.
>
> Relativity has to make some accommodation if they want to finally
> admit (and now flaunt) the Shapiro effect. And this is just the place
> to admit that c is reduced.
>
> The redshift detected outside is the normal WL stretching as c resumes
> its proper rate out of the well of course with the same frequency.
> (i.e. WL is unchanged by gravity)
>
> Isn't Wikipedia one of those blog things? I didn't notice any
> invitation to make a comment.
No... Wiki is more formal than that and many rank it with
Britannica for overall accuracy. I have seen some of the
sujects flagged as protested or under review ect.
If you browse around it is not too hard to find the instructions
to contribute or correct the contibutions of others.

Sue...

>
> John Polasek

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