Re: Spaceship Question


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> In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
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> wrote
> on Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:34:07 GMT
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> >> In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
> >> <kenseto@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote
> >> on Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:35:58 GMT
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> >> >
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> >> >> In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
> >> >> <kenseto@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> wrote
> >> >> on Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:11:21 GMT
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> >> >> >
> >> >> > "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
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> >> >> >> In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
> >> >> >> <kenseto@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> wrote
> >> >> >> on Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:32:53 GMT
> >> >> >> <pgLCf.49518$tK4.36882@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If the clock is a cesium-ion clock, one would hope that the
> >> >> >> rate, *as observed from the clock*, would be exactly the same.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sigh....the duration between two ticks of the Cesium clock
> >> >> > is different in different frames (different states of
> >> >> > absolute motion). This is what causes the clocks to run
> >> >> > at different intrinsic rates at different states of absolute
motion.
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course the two clocks are observed to have different
> >> >> clockrates because of their *relative* motion. Nothing
> >> >> to do with absolute at all.
> >> >
> >> > Hey idiot....relative motion is derived from absolute motions.
> >>
> >> Exactly! But if there's a relative motion there's gotta be
> >> an absolute one, right?
> >>
> >> If I observe from Sol's vantage point a velocity of +10^-4 c
> >> on Jan 1, and six months later I observe from Sol's vantage point a
> >> velocity of -10^-4 c, then regardless of what Sol's motion
> >> is in the absolute sense, there has to be absolute motion
> >> by Earth (as opposed to absolute stillness) sometime within
> >> that 6-month cycle.
> >>
> >> After all, if Earth is absolutely still on Jan 1 then the Sun
> >> must be moving at velocity -10^-4 c, and therefore six months
> >> later the Earth will be absolutely moving at -2*10^-4 c.
> >>
> >> So...why haven't the Earth clocks changed rate every six months?
> >>
> >> For that matter, why haven't Earth clocks changed every *day*?
> >> The rotation imparts an about 1.55 * 10^-6 c component,
> >> on the Equator.
> >
> > Your failure to comprehend is unbelievable. The speed of light is a
constant
> > math ratio in all frames as follows:
> > Light path length of rod (299,792,458m)/the absolute time content for a
> > clock second co-moving with the rod.
>
> I was asking about clock rates. The clock is clearly co-moving
> with the Earth. Since the Earth is evidencing absolute motion (we
> just don't know precisely when), it is clear that the clock will
> be exhibiting differences therein, and I'm wondering how one
> would measure this rate.

I have no idea what you are talking about.


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