Re: Does a Magnet's force weaken witht the distance cube?


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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/isq.html#isq


The link above shows Gravity, Light(photons), and Charge (I
believe
sound waves also): all these weaken with the distance square.

How about Magnets...I think there's is the distance cube which
is
strange since EM waves are made of photons and photons above
weaken
with the distance square???

Then you thought wrong - magnets also obey the inverse square
law.
Of
course since magnetic monopoles have never been found the fact
they
would
obey similar rules to charges is deduced.

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Also from the same link, it makes me believe all these three
forces
(Gravity, photons, charge) are the very same with the
***ONLY***
difference methaporicaly speaking is they each have a different
mass(energy)???

Then you are wrong. EM (unified by Maxwell in the 19th century)
is
one
field described by a 4 vector. Gravity needs a 4x4 tensor called
the
metric.


Therefore could Gravity, charge, photons be virtually the same
in
the
same metaphorical way as light and EM waves are the same (both
made of
photons).

Check out Kaluza Klein theory.


A scalar as a 5th dimensions

Your inability to comprehend is showing again - that has nothing to
do
with
it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaluza-Klein_theory
quote:

1. "Theodor Kaluza who extended general relativity to a
five-dimensional spacetime"
2. ....."the final part(meaning 5th dimension) an extra scalar field
now termed the "radion".

3. Meaning of scalar and 5th dimension, quote: "The distance a
particle
can travel before reaching its initial position is said to be the size
of the dimension."


#3 above speaks of a scalar and not a vector ....

example of vectors: x,y,z vectors form the balloon
exampe of scalar : the width of the balloon = scalar and the 5th
dimension


You easily say "no" that's not what they really mean but I haven't
found any arguments while reading the article that contradict it?

My Moma didn't raise no dummy.

Even more from the same link that agains says the same thing:

Quote
"Radion, .... is a scalar field ....... It can be interpreted as the
length or size of the fifth dimension as a function of the usual four
dimensions of spacetime.

I did a search on 'function' in the article. It is not even there. As a
double check I did a search on 'interpreted' and could not find it as
part
of your quote. It is obvious your comprehension is so appalling you
actually imagine words that are not there. Or maybe you got it from
somewhere else? Either way this is something you need to drastically
improve on if you wish to learn physics.


You are not a very honest person are you, since "you know" I did not
pull out the info from no-where.

Honesty - it is doubtful you understand the meaning of the word - you wrote
'Even more from the same link that agains says the same thing'. Nothing
more really needs to be said except discussing things with you is obviously
a waste of time.

Bill


Now if this info I am the one who knows about and ***NOT YOU***
then in your own words "the one who needs to improve if he wishes to
learn" is you and not me....you're a very dishonest person trying to
elude the truth.

The very same web link you gave...look up where it speaks of Radion,
click on the word and it should bring you to the info "I" (and not you)
provided at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radion


I showed you where I got the information.
I showed you that I know even more about the concept of the theory than
you knew..

You tried to say I was inept and too lazy to try to understand, maybe
now you should prove that it's not you...

....since....

....I showed you exactly where I got the info and for evey SINGLE line
I wrote (that you screamed as none sense finger painting knowledge) , I
provide the exact "quote" reference to it from the very link "you" gave
me.


No where have I swayed away from the theories own words (re-read it
line by line I gave you their own words in relation to my words about
the theory).


Bill


Seems to basically say the 5th dimension is a LENGTH (or width as I
compared it to a balloon) and not a an additional directional vector
as a "FUNCTION OF" the 4 other dimensions of spacetime

Actually I'm a little mixed up....but lets not pretend this simple
information and belittle me as a finger painter:

to keep simple say we only 2 use vector x and y (instead of the
initial 4 vectors of spacetime)


Now from the definition above:

The 5th dimension (or 3rd in this case) would be the perimeter (instead
of surface since it's only 2 vectors and thus 2 dimensional) of the
function for the x and y vectors since as they say above it's the
total distance "TO TRAVEL" in the 2 dimensional space (of the x and y
vectors) to reach the initial position......


if y = x^2 is the function

y = 2x^3 = area, i think

y = 1/2 x = perimeter, i think....thus the scalar (Radon) would be
1/2???




seems too strange for my tastebuds,
strange how it can make a function out of the 4 other vectors with
it
also being a vector but a scalar instead??
Are they saying something like 5th dimension = scalar*x*y*z*t ?

No.



It seems almost (using 3d instead 4d as an example) like saying
the
scalar width of an inflated baloon made of x,y,z dimensions forms
another dimension? Are they saying that intensity or density
forms a
5th dimension?

How about reading some articles on it and this time making an effort
to
understand what they say? To start you off here is one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaluza-Klein_theory

Bill





Therefore the main difference between Gravity, charge, and
photons
would be the Energy(mass) that they contain.

For Gravity = mass (= energy) = density * volume,
For Charge = intensity * volume,
For Photons = intensity *volume

???

No.

Bill








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