Re: michelson morley experiment

Harry wrote:
<vern@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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Perhaps I should not have posted the subject matter is this thread as
the experiment I am discussing is a simple path of light experiment
that does not involve MMX concepts, SRT, length contraction,
non-inertial frames or choice of frames.

If you think about it, that's impossible: any path is relative to some
material reference system, even if by extension.

What I said was that the experiment I am discussing does not involve a
consideration of choice of frames. I guess what I should have said was
that it doesn't involve a transformation between frames. All
considerations are in a frame of reference in which the CMBR is
isotropic (the CMBR frame).

However, I was responding to
Tom's statements in Message No. 18 which were applicable to path of
light issues, so it seemed appropriate. The issue here is whether
there is aberration of terrestial light. The experiment I outlined
indicates that there is not, yet that contradicts accepted theory of
light (there is no reason that all light is not aberrated). I have
asked Tom for his explanation of why terrestial light is not aberrated
in Message No. 38. What is yours?

I kind of commented on that in message 31; and on earth there is no speed
difference.

This is not about speed difference. It is about whether terrestial
light sources have aberration.

If you need more details of the
experiments, a link is posted in Message No. 21 or 23.

Reading that, I could not spot what you consider to be a problem; however
the following remark of you is revealing:

"Using terrestial light sources, the experiment should have revealed the
full effect of secular aberration, but instead it is consistent with a
model of light which is a wave in an aether where the aether is like a
bubble around the Earth and the Earth's rotation on its axis does not
affect the aether. This corresponds with explanations for H-K type
experiments and GPS, where an Earth-axis-centered frame is used for
measurements. "

That's commonly called ECI frame; as it happens, SRT is compatible with
choosing that frame; it is generally used.

We are evidently talking past each other. This has nothing to do with
SRT and the frame in the experiment is the not the ECI frame, it is in
the frame of the Earth's surface. The comment I made in the previous
post was only an analogy to HK and GPS and aether theories which use an
ECI frame. That was only relative to a positing a reason why
terrestial light does not have aberration. Do you accept that
terrestial light does not have aberration (in the reference frame of
the Earth's surface), and if so, why do you believe there is no
aberration, when all light should exibit aberration.

Vern

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