Re: What Exactly Happens to TIME in GPS Orbit?


"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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| On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:38:18 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
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| wrote:
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| >"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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| >| >"Henry Haapalainen" <kirppu@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| >| >Free fall is a state of acceleration, Happy Henry. A centrifuge has
| >opposing
| >| >forces and objects in the centrifuge do not fly away.
| >| >You are confusing unopposed force with acceleration, and acceleration
| >| >is changing velocity as a function of time.
| >| >You are proven wrong by your own words, Happy Henry.
| >| >Pay up US $1000.
| >|
| >| No, A, listen. This is not as clear cut as you think.
| >| It depends whether acceleration is defined as a=F/M or a=dv/dt=d2x/dt2
| >
| > I and my car accelerate simultaneously but my mass is different to the
| >car's mass.
| > Hence acceleration is independent of mass and a = d2x/dt2.
| >
| >|
| >| In the case of an object in free fall towards the Earth, F/M=zero as
| >measured
| >| on the object itself.
| >
| >So don't use F/M.
|
| Well I'm not sure.....it does appear that 'free fall' is the 'default
normal'
| state of all matter.
|
| >The command modules of the Apollo missions fell to Earth with the same
| >acceleration as the occupants.
| >Hence acceleration is independent of mass and a = d2x/dt2.
|
| Only wrt a third observer.
| Acceleration is zero according to the onboard accelerometers.

It is still independent of mass.
Accelerometers measure force, not acceleration. They are forcemeters.
It's kinda like calling a car's dampers "shock absorbers". The tyres and
springs
absorb shock, not the dampers. The dampers provide friction and are there
to prevent oscillation. The heat up, too, as do the tyres.
Don't use F/M.



|
| >| However an observer on the moon would clearly see that dv/dt was
| >increasing.
| >
| >Yep. a=dv/dt.
|
| Yep...a third observer.

The first observer sees the Earth accelerating toward him,
the second observer see the command module accelerate toward him.
The third observer sees the module accelerate away from him.
Acceleration is relative.
Einstein's "Principle of Equivalence" is bull***, but then, he always was
dickhead. When you feel the thrust of the plane on the runway as
it makes it's takeoff roll, plane and passenger are equally accelerated
and it isn't gravity doing that, it is force transmitted through the
airframe.
a=dv/dt.




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| >
| >|
| >| I tend to agree with Henry that all clocks in free fall should read the
| >same.
| >
| >So do I, but I do not agree that "acceleration is only apparent."(HH)
| >|
| >| After all, most Henrys are correct most of the time.
| >
| >He's not really a Henry, he's Dork Van de merde the Norwegian tusselad.
| >Norway is next to Finland and he lives in Belgium, neither of the three
of
| >him
| >knows who's who. Only a complete shithead could mistake Phuckwit Duck
| >for me, but at least Phuckwit Duck told him Einstein's third law of
motion
| >was Newton's.
| >
| >Happy Henry still owes myself and Phuckwit Duck US$1000 each, and
| > you still owe me three cases of Glenlivet.
| >If you can persuade Dork Van de Haapalainen to pay up I'll waive the
| > three cases as a commission, but his reputation still sucks, as does
| >Wombat's Wobbly Wedge-on Worbits Pty Ltd.
|
| There is nothing wrong with my ellipses and I will sue for defamation if
you
| keep on repeating that lie....
| You should see a psychiatrist about your professional jealousy...

Go ahead, I have this:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Wilson/worbit.JPG
and I have 3 different revision levels of your program in my Wombat file,
Google has archived our conversations. See if you can persuade a judge.
You can bluff all you want, Wombat's Wobbly Wedge-on Worbits suck,
it is you that needs a psychiatrist.


| >BTW, watch out for those clever software and electronic engineers
| > in India:
| > Skilled Migration Program
| >The Australian Government has responded to industry concerns about
| >skilled job vacancies by announcing that the 2005-2006 Migration Program
| > has been increased to include an additional 20,000 skilled migration
| >places.
|
| Fucking OZ goverment is too bloody lazy to educate our local kids. Most of
them
| are braindead from dope anyway and can't learn anything beyond pouring
beer.
|
| >It is ironic that while Australia is enjoying its longest employment
growth
| >in recent history and its lowest unemployment figures for decades, we are
| >facing a critical skill shortage. One company that has continued to grow
| >and which does not appear to suffer from this shortage is AKE Electrical
| >and Data Installations Pty Ltd.
| > http://www.australianbusiness.com.au/
|
| Australia is importing people to increase demand then borrowing overseas
money
| to pay their pensions.
| It's quite common for a migrant family with ten kids to be earning $1000 a
week
| in benefits for doing *** all.

Same here.

| >
| >I ain't about to apply, I'm retired.
|
| I'm fucking glad I wont be around in fifty years time....all hell is about
to
| break loose..


Fifty years? More like twenty before Western civilization collapses, the
Yanks
will be the first to go. They have something everyone wants, and it isn't
technology, TV, fridge and car, it is arable land for growing food and
already
prepared.
China and India (and Russia) can create their own technology, the central
Asian climate is like the Oz Outback, no good for food and the populations
are soaring among the uneducated. The interior of the USA is a breadbasket.
The hungry will fight for it. America's wealth is it's food.




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| >Androcles Van de Wilson.
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| HW.
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