Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did.


Henri Wilson wrote:
On 29 Jun 2006 05:29:21 -0700, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Sorcerer wrote:
"PD" <TheDraperFamily@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message


In your case, Phuckwit Duck, it's pretty plain what's wrong with your
thinking. It's a pretty short trip following your thinking before you
run into something that's patently wrong.

MEASURING the speed of the cosmic muon BEFORE it hits the
scintillator, we find 62 miles (height of atmosphere) in less than
2.2 usec > 299,792.4562 kilometers per second, plus or minus 1.1 meters per
second
IN OUR FRAME OF REFERENCE.

That's incorrect. It doesn't cover that ground in less than 2.2 usec in
our frame of reference, at least not that we measure.

Are you claiming that someone has measured the exact time taken by a single
muon to travel from the top of the atmosphere to ground level?

Certainly not. And that's why Androcles does not know it's 2.2 usec.
On the other hand, the exact time for a muon in a beamline (or rather,
an empty decay pipe) *has* been measured, and it's more than 2.2 usec.


Piss off Draper, you're a wanker.

And in
ground-based muon beamlines, the muons definitely do not decay with a
lifetime less than 2.2 usec or even equal to 2.2 usec in our frame of
reference.

Who cares?

A number of people care. Physicists, mostly. I'm not surprised you
don't.



| > See, you say muons slow down, and when I say you say it, you say I'm a
| > liar, you ***.
|
| Note the difference, you say it slows from superluminal to subluminal
| speeds.

Perhaps you call 62 miles per 2.2 usec subluminal...<shrug>

I don't know where you get the idea it covers that distance in 2.2
usec. <shrug>


|
| > It's a pretty short trip following your thinking
| > before anyone runs into something that's patently wrong.
| > (Not that you've ever measured the speed of a muon before it's going
| > into a scintillator.)
|
| Sure I have. Ever heard of a muon beamline?

Not one that is 62 miles long, no.

And that matters... why?

You refer to domesticated muons,
I'm referring to wild, feral muons.

And that matters...why?

BECAUSE THEY ARE INVOLVED IN THIS EXPERIMENT, IDIOT.

And what's the difference, Henri?



| > Anyway, the aurora are Cherenkov radiation, so clearly
| > particles entering atmosphere are superluminal.
|
| They don't travel faster that c. They travel faster than c/n, at least
| for a while.

62 miles in 2.2 usec is faster than 299,792.4562 kilometers per second,

Yes, indeed it is, but nothing goes 62 miles in 2.2 usec.

How do you know Drapoer? Was that part of your indoctrination?

Nothing has been measured to go 62 miles in 2.2 usec.
You can also suppose that banana slugs eat nothing but submarine
cheesecake, and if I tell you they don't, you can say "How do you know?
Was that part of your indoctrination?" and I would answer in a similar
way.





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