Re: PHOTON MASS -- A FACT. MASSLESS PARTICLES -- NOT FACT.

In article <1152058790.565163.280390@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
tomgee <tyropress@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:



You can repeat the lie ad nauseum, but the truth is there in black and
white.
You have no maths knowledge, and your pitiful lack of knowledge re Noethers
and
energy conservation is proof of it.

Mine is not a lie, yours is. You are saying that momentum can
exist without mass because you were not told it is only a fantasy
when you were given that fantasy equation. You have been so
brainwashed that you still believe it is reality and not a fairytale.


Yawn. Where you once the propaganda minister for Saddam Hussein by any
chance? Because you share the same knack of repeating a lie and
believing it..

"There is no relativistic momentum in the world! We resist this
ludicrous fantasy world of physics. Our logic will prevail!"


Since you believe math is reality, your math is useless because
it is not reality. So you resort to lies and to making up physics
to try to forestall the inevitable awakening to the real and the
unreal. I charge nothing for that, good riddance to brainwashing.

The math is always used as a model of reality - a mirror darkly. Your
alternative is to go back to alchemy and magic. The "lies" you proclaim
work, whereas I have heard nothing from you that explains anything.



You evidently believe I am lying about math not being represent-
ative of reality, and no one here has said that in a very long time.
I guess you never learned that getting your hypothetical PHd, or
perhaps they forgot to mention it to you. You really and truly
believe that math is real and representative, without question, of
reality, eh? Either you're super-stupid or a born Stooge, and I
see no possiblility of helping you overcome either or both.

See above. Model of reality. I don't believe in magic, unicorns,
fairy's or the twisted world view you espouse.






But yet it is experimentally verified, unlike your bollocks...

No, it isn't. It would only be "mathematically verified", if
there really was such a thing. If you know of any
experiment that has verified that nonsense, post a quote
from it here so we can have a good laugh.

Particle physics - namely Beta Decays
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/rellim.html#c1

Particles are massive, and so they do exhibit momentum,
so that does not explain "Relativistic momentum", just
plain momentum.

Relativistic momentum is used in the larger particle smashers.


I've heard of this new invention called "google". I'm sure that givn a
year you may be able to read up some of this stuff yourself.



Compton effect
http://www.qmw.ac.uk/~zgap118/3/p33.html

"we can already express the energy and momentum of photons, and using
Einstein's equation for the relativistic energy of a particle we can
calculate
the energy of the electron sitting in the atom."

If by "relativistic energy", he means the energy of a mass disregarding

the energy accruing to it due to its motion, that is no different than
E=mc^2, which is a subset of the reality of abs. motion, and as such,
it is somewhat short of reality. As I've said, it is a great tool, but
it is
not representative of reality, and to think that it is, is quite
foolish.

"OK you got me there, so I will backpedal furiously"


So you keep saying - it doesn't make it true.


He refers to E=mc^2 as AE's equation for the relativistic energy of a
particle, and so using it to calculate an electron's energy is just one

more way to use our math tool. He does not refer to the total energy
of the particle, however, since the relativistic energy leaves out the
energy of an object's momentum which accrues to it due to its motion.

Cosmic rays
http://sunshine.chpc.utah.edu/javalabs/java12/momentum/act4/tchrpage.htm

Does he actually use that term "relativistic momentum" in there?
If so, why did you not quote it?

Relativistic effects used to calculate lifetime of particles.


You Stooges cannot say a single word unless you can argue
from your fictional base of Relativity. Once that is taken away
from you, you are struck dumb. Thus, everything you say has
to conform with the un-reality you espouse to no end. If I am
wrong about that, you have only to face the facts of reality and
show that I am wrong in my interpretations of it. So long as
you continue to argue your fictional "facts", you are not talking
about the real world.

You're getting pretty obsessed with me there TG. But I'm happily
married - sorry!

You're happily stupid, too, since I plainly said "You Stooges", to
show that I did not refer only to you. You Stooges cannot even
read at hs level!

You must be a troll, as no-one can honestly be this stupid and breathe unaided.

Getting your goat, eh? You thought you could come in here and
make short of me and my ideas, even when you saw the Stooges
couldn't make a dent. Run away as you claim others have done,
fool, you're no match for me.


I've spanked you several times, and heading for another. You're just
too damn stupid to see it. Just cause you failed to ge into college you
think you can belittle those who actually want to learn. And even
worse, you berate those that do as "conformists" because they don't
listen to the utter rubbish you push.

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