Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did.

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:05:49 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen"
<paul.b.andersen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:16:27 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen"
<paul.b.andersen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jerry wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
Yes. Different layers of a star have different radial velocities and therefore
will exhibit bigger magnitude changes at the same observer distance.
If the "different layers" of a star are responsible for the
different curves, then logically a star such at the Sun
will show dramatically different diameters measured
at 1920 Angstroms versus 1.2 microns.
Indeed. :-)
Believing that you can observe the Sun's interior in the infrared
is so crazy that I no more question Henri's sanity.
Have you ever seen the sun through different filters?
Obviously not.
Do you mean like these: ?

195A extreme UV
http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/images/latest_eit_195.gif

304A UV:
http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/images/latest_eit_304.gif

6563A H-alpha visible:
http://tinyurl.com/m5ngb

10830A IR
http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/images/latest_nsoHe.gif

1.7cm radio
http://solar.nro.nao.ac.jp/norh/html/10min/realtime.html

Do you think there are different surfaces you see in these images, Henri? :-)

Of course. That's exactly what they show.

....they are not exact spherical shells you know Paul. They are 'average
depths'.

:-)

Note that you can see flare activity even in the 1.7cm picture.
Where do you think this takes place? Deep within the Sun?

That could be due to the filters not being perfect.

Waving back. :-)

I repeat:
If you believe that the IR radiation comes from layers
within the Sun (deep below the photosphere), you must be insane.
You cannot even blame it on ignorance.
No sane person can stay that ignorant for so long.

Paul, can you not see the size of the corona in the first photo?

Where is that corona in the last two?

You don't deserve it, but to the benefit of potential lurkers,
I will explain.

The solar spectrum consists of:
1. A black body spectrum. The "black body" is the photosphere,
it's temperature is 5700K.
Look at this Java applet:
http://www.astro.ubc.ca/~scharein/a311/Sim/bbody/BlackBody.html
Set it to 5700K. Note that the radiation peaks in the middle
of the visible part of the spectrum. It is very weak for shorter
wavelengths than 100nm (1000A), but it is quite strong in IR.

2. Absorption lines. When the black body radiation goes through
the thinner gas in the chromosphere, which is a thin layer above
the photosphere, some frequencies are absorbed.

3. Emission lines. The corona is extremely hot, and extremely
thin gas. It will emit a line spectrum. Most of these lines
will be in in the UV spectrum.


So to your question:
In the visible light and IR spectrum, the black body
radiation is very strong and will dominate completely.
(See the Java applet above). So we will literally
see the photosphere in the pictures. The corona radiates
very little at these wavelengths, that's why it is visible
only in total eclipse. (Or in a telescope if you mask
out the solar disk.) When the photosphere is visible, the
radiation from the corona will be below the dynamic range
of the CCD.

The black body radiation is however very weak in the extreme UV,
so in the first (195A) picture, it is an emission line from
the corona we see. If you look carefully at the picture,
you will see that the radiation is strongest right above
the photosphere, which will appear rather dark. You might
say that we can see the photosphere because no radiation
comes from beneath it.

The last picture in 1.7cm radio may be partly black-body
radiation. But I think that the magnetic activity on
the surface will contribute considerably to this radiation,
that's why we can see the flares.

To sum it up:
If you claim that extreme UV radiation partly comes from
higher layers than visible light, you would be right.
But to claim that IR radiation comes from deeper layers
than visible light is plain nonsense.


I suspect that you do not really believe so, though.
Or do you?

Paul, I have now accurately matched a great many star brightness curves using
the BaTh principles.
The only problem has been my predicted distance factor, which has been
consistently and considerably lower than the Hipparcos figure.

I have explained that with my unification theory, a theory that is quite
plausible, particulalry since thee appears to be a definite relationship
between Du and star period (and binary separation distance).

I'm sure even YOU are starting to now realise that I'm actually on to
something.

The question you evaded was:
Do you really believe that the IR radiation comes from layers
within the Sun, deep below the photosphere?

If you do, you must be insane.

But I have noticed that you have no problem with asserting
what you must know is wrong to defend your religious belief
in a hopeless theory.

Paul
.

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