Re: The CMBR falsifies SR

Dear cmaj10:

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Ilja Schmelzer wrote:
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Ilja Schmelzer wrote:
AE's words are irrelevant. We have two theories,
SR and GR, and the expansion of the universe can
be described appropriately only in GR (or other
metric theories of gravity), but not in SR.

I'm not sure you're right on SR's non-applicability,
but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (only for the
sake of this posting). You are nonetheless
assuming the CMBR has anything to do with an
expanding universe, which is far from proven.

It has according to the standard theory: During the
expansion, the temperature of the CMBR decreases.

For me, this standard theory is quite plausible. As
usual, physical theories cannot be proven, therefore
(and in this sense) I agree that the standard theory
about the CMBR is not proven too.

Outside mathematics it's always implied that
'proven' means 'proven to be highly probable'.

"Proven" has little meaning is Science, in general. Disproven
has a lot of meaning.

It would be a pain if we always had to actually
write 'proven to be highly probable'. I doubt anyone
would claim that the expanding universe
explanation of the CMBR has been proved to be
99% probable.

It has not been disproven. Stellar spectra have increasing
wavelength and intensity. Type Ia supernovae are additional
candles (to about z=3) of the red shifting of duration, in
fundamental agreement with other distance methods. The red
shifted spectra extend until just a few hundred million years
after the "established" position/point-in-time of the CMBR
emission. The CMBR has the spectra of ionized hydrogen gas.
This also is red shifted, with a specific gamma value associated
with it (1099 or something like this).

There is very little evidence that the standard model has to lift
its skirts and step over. Presumably you have seen these:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_01.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/stars_vs_cmb.html
http://www.astro.ubc.ca/people/scott/faq_basic.html

David A. Smith


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