Re: Poincare conjecture


Harry wrote:
"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Steve son,you have been sleeping all your existence, a silly attempt to
fit a 1898 science fiction novel into a formal framework should now
look plain silly .

Look out into the great celestial arena and draw you gaze away from the
silly 20th century excesses.Look out with the eyes of Kepler and then
compare it with that diseased Newtonian mind -

Epitome Of Copernican Astronomy by JOHANNES KEPLER


Finally by what arguments do you prove that the centre of the Sun which
is at the midpoint of the planetary spheres and bears their whole
system - does not revolve in some annual movement,as Brahe wishes,but
in accordance with Copernicus sticks immobile in one place,while the
centre of the Earth revolves in an annual movement.


Argument 10


" The 10th argument,taken from the periodic times, is as follows; the
apparent movement of the Sun has 365 days which is the mean measure
between Venus' period of 225 days and Mars' period of 687
days.Therefore does not the nature of things shout out loud that the
circuits in which those 365 days are taken up has a mean position
between the circuits of Mars and Venus around the Sun and thus this is
not the circuit of the Sun around the Earth -for none of the primary
planets has its orbit arranged around the Earth,as Brahe admits,but the
circuit of the Earth around the resting Sun,just as the other
planets,namely Mars and Venus,complete their own periods by running
around the Sun."


Johannes Kepler

Below Newton discussed *phenomema*. Newton roughly agreed with Kepler about
what really happens. Apparently you argue that the sun exactly "sticks
immobile in one place", like Newton apparently assumed for the stars. To
what does the sun stick, do you think?

Harald


The working principles of Kepler are pure Copernican insofar as he
derives his orbital geometry by making comparisons between the orbital
motion of Earth and that of Mars -

"Copernicus, by attributing a single annual motion to the earth,
entirely rids the planets of these extremely intricate coils [spiris],
leading the individual planets into their respective orbits
[orbitas],quite bare and very nearly circular. In the period of time
shown in the diagram, Mars traverses one and the same orbit as many
times as the 'garlands' [corollas] you see looped towards the centre,
with one extra, making nine times, while at the same time the Earth
repeats its circle sixteen times "
Astronomia Nova 1609


http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals/pdf/POSC_13_1_74_0.pdf

Newton ,and by association all empiricists, mistake the Panis
Quadragesimalis diagram on page 86 as being geocentric hence Newton's
cockeyed view of retrogrades and their resolution -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary,
nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are always seen
direct.." Newton

The periodic times argument of Kepler in inserting the orbit of the
Earth between Venus and Mars is based on orbital comparisons and having
nothing to do with the background stars much less a dumb
re-introduction of the Sun around the Earth as a valid principle.

What Newton is doing is creating the AU by transfering orbital
comparisons to mean Sun/Earth distances hence empiricists are known
through linking axial rotation directly to celestial sphere geometry or
"the fixed stars at rest".It is not just wrong,it is narrow and
fraudulent at the same time and the major crack in this 3 century
episode of junkl attached to astronomy.

At least you are civil and I sincerily thank you for that.







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PHENOMENON IV.
"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five
primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the
earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean
distances from the sun.


This proportion, first observed by Kepler, is now received by all
astronomers; for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of

the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or
the earth about the sun. And as to the measures of the periodic times,
all astronomers are agreed about them. But for the dimensions of the
orbits, Kepler and Bullialdus, above all others, have determined them
from observations with the greatest accuracy; and the mean distances
corresponding to the periodic times differ but insensibly from those
which they have assigned, and for the most part fall in between them;
as we may see from the following table." newton


* http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm


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