Re: THE MASSLESS PHOTON


Sorcerer wrote:
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| Sorcerer wrote:
| > "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| > |
| > | vergon@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
| > | > There are certain pillars in physics that are basic. One of them is,
| > | > momentum is mass in motion. Another is, energy is mass in motion.
| > | > Without mass neither can exist for you then have only motion -- the
| > | > motion of nothing.
| > | >
| > | > Yet there are a plethora of misguided individuals who maintain the
| > | > photons (and other particles) are without mass. And they will give
many
| > | > reasons why the massless photon exists.
| > | >
| > | > Although every reason they give can be shown to be faulty, this
doesn't
| > | > dissuade them.
| > | > They hold on to their BELIEF like a bull dog.
| > | >
| > | > They actually are disengaging themselves from physics -- they are
not
| > | > physisicts -- because
| > | > physics first and foremost is a logical enterprise, and their
so-called
| > | > logic breeches this requirement.
| > | >
| > | > I hereby offer a challenge to those believers in the massless
photon.
| > | > State your reasons by numbering them as to the why you believe in
the
| > | > massless photon --- and I will answer them.
| > | >
| > | > INCLUDE a description of the composition of momentum and kinetic
energy
| > | > that has no mass.
| > | >
| > | > If you fail in this latter requirement, you lose.
| > | >
| > | > Personalised remarks will be ignored.
| > |
| > | 1) The kinetic energy of the photon is E=hf
| >
| > Prove it.
| >
| >
| > | 2) The momentum of the photon is p = hf / c
| >
| > Prove it.
| >
|
| There is no absolute proof of either, since it's the theory that tells
| one what one observes. What you can do is to show that in the very
| experiments in which one would expect to use SR

I do not expect to SR in any experiment, SR is crap.


, such as the
| photoelectric effect, the Compton effect, and high-energy physics (and
| others), these relationships hold very well.

No they do not. There is nothing in SR about E = hf.


|
| The use of energy-momentum four-vectors in SR is one of the all-time
| great simplifications in the analysis of such experiments.

Bull***, prove it.

Read a book on relativistic kinematics. I'm not here to do your
homework.


|
| Furthermore,

*** the furthermores, deal with the furtherless first. Where
in SR is E= hf?

There's more to SR than what Einstein wrote in 1905, just like there's
more to mechanics than what Newton wrote himself.

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