Re: The Twin Paradox explained from the moving twin ?

Nicolaas Vroom wrote:
Question:
Is it possible to explain the Twin Experiment from the moving point of view
?

No The reason you would consider one clock moving and the
other stationary is a clue as to why.


IMO this is not possible.

When the two Observers meet they realize that there clocks are not the same.
To be more specific: The clock of the moving observer runs behind.
The clock of the moving observer runs slow.

No... there is no mechanism in SR to alter the appearance of
clocks except the length of the light path. When
the twins are together. that length is zero.


To explain the Observer at rest will say:
Look on my clock I read 10000 counts.
Based on the speed v (Lorentz Transformation) gamma is 0.5
That means your clock should read 5000 counts.
Which is what we measure. qed.

Correct. The motion of the clocks wrt the dielectric
media is zero.


The question is: Is it possible to explain this also from the
point of view of moving observer ?

Yes.... just so the motion is zero. For other values it
doesn't work.


IMO this it not possible.
The moving Observer has to accept what the Observer at rest tells him.

Not true If they watch Dr. Who via equal lengths of video cable,
they need pay no attention to each other.


For more details goto : http://users.telenet.be/nicvroom/dirk3.htm

ROFL
Putting the handle of a malicious subject line
trasher is not a good way to get someone to
click on a URL.



At that url there is also a sketch which explains this from the
moving point of view.
But that sketch is wrong so it seems.

I will take your word that it is wrong. Possibly
viral too.


The url shows that before the point of return
both observers will observe the same.
The "trick" is that the moving observer does not stay
at rest in his original frame.

Yes, the matter that interacts in a real-world light
path has to be considered to avoid the paradox.

Propagation in a dielectric medium
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node98.html
"Retarded potential"
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node50.html

<<... Einstein's resolution using
gravitational time dilation suffers from logical and
physical flaws, and gives incorrect answers in a general
setting. The counter examples imply the need to reconsider
many issues related to the comparison of transported
clocks. The failure of the accepted views and
resolutions is traced to the fact that the special relativity
principle formulated originally for physics in empty
space is not valid in the matter-filled universe. >>

C. S. Unnikrishnan
Gravitation Group,
Tata Institute of Fundamental Research,
Homi Bhabha Road, Mumbai 400 005, India
http://www.iisc.ernet.in/currsci/dec252005/2009.pdf
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Sue...


Nicolaas Vroom.

http://users.telenet.be/nicvroom/

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