Re: The Twin Paradox explained from the moving twin ?


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| > | > | > | > | Nice try but you're off by a factor of
| > | > | > | > | about 120.
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| > | > | > | > What are you babbling about mass and energy for, fuckhead?
| > | > | > | > Speed has nothing all to do with mass. The most massive
| > | > | > | > object locally is the Earth and that has a speed of 0.0001c.
| > | > | > | > Where the *** did you get so confused?
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| > | > | > | 7 TeV proton looks like a tachyon to me...or would in a
| > | > | > | Newtonian universe. :-P
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| > | > | > Nice try, but 27,000 m * 11245Hz = 1.01c.
| > | > | > Explain what the operating frequency has to do with
| > | > | > the particles, shithead. You are hoist by your own petard.
| > | > |
| > | > | Ah, yes, you're hung up on that.
| > | >
| > | > I wanna see the tachyon... Whaaaa....
| > | > You promised... whaaaaaa!
| > | > Now prove 27,000 m * 11245Hz = 120c, fuckhead!
| > | >
| > | > What a MORON!
| > | >
| > |
| > | I'd like to see the tachyon as well. 120c should be plenty fast.
| > |
| > | A more accurate circumference diameter is 26659 meters, which resolves
| > | the "tachyon" difficulty.
| >
| > A circumference diameter, huh?
| > There is a slight ratio of pi between circumference and diameter,
| > but I would not expect a relativist to understand that.
| > What a MORON!
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| The circumference I'm referring to is the circumference
| of the LHC. The "diameter" is apparently an artifact
| of my overworked brain; obviously I can't keep up with
| your intelligence.
|
| Of course, since the trip is circular the average velocity
| of the proton is in fact zero.

Yes indeed, the average velocity is zero.
However, the instantaneous tangential velocity (for which one
needs calculus, which is beyond your intelligence) is, based on
the information you provided, 303,000 km/sec.

Of course your information was incorrect, the LHC is actually
a polygon and not a circle at all. The protons (or electrons)
cannot exceed the speed of the field they are synchronized to
anymore than a golf ball can exceed the speed of the club
relative to the tee. The particle travels a straight path until
it encounters a vertex of the polygon, where, being charged,
it bends in a magnetic field just enough to travel directly toward
the next vertex. The strength of the magnetic field at a vertex
depends on the mass of the hadron, but is constant for the
duration of rhe experiment.
The mass remains a universal constant and E = 1/2mc^2 (+ mc^2
if any mass is converted to energy upon collision, but not before).
It does NOT approach infinity as the speed is already at the speed
of any changing magnetic and electric fields.


(The average speed, of
| course, is another matter entirely.)

Speed is the magnitude of velocity and the average speed is zero.
The instantaneous speed is 300,000 km/s, overworked numbskull.

If you would really like a tachyon, move the entire CERN complex
around the sun at 30,000 m/sec... Oh wait... we are doing that already.

Incidentally, clock motors running at 60 Hz slaved to the 110V supply
are designed to be synchronous, they have permanent magnets.
Squirrel cage motors slip, the greater the load the greater the slip
and the greater the induced magnetic field in the rotor.
http://tinyurl.com/l2xkt
The cage itself is effectively the short circuited secondary
winding of a transformer and will have huge currents when
the motor is locked.
Because soft iron is used and iron is a conductor
the rotors are made in laminated form with insulation
between sheets and aluminium conductors are cast in.
This insulation is a mere coat of paint. Take your
hair dryer or ceiling fan apart and you'll see.

Wound rotors with slip rings connected to resistors
are useful for slow starting (where there is a heavy flywheel
for example) to limit the currents. The resistors are shorted
out as the speed increases.

http://www.elec-toolbox.com/motorchar.htm

If the LHC has the circumference and frequency you claim
then the hadrons are synchronous and travelling at 300,000 km/s,
which is NOT c because they do not bounce off a mirror.
Physics 2007 outdates Physics 1905, go back to Physics 101.



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